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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2022 1:29:54 GMT
A total of Threads: 13,229 & Total Posts: 46,390
Highly extensive sub forums on integral / psychological / social / spiritual areas, as well as mainstream approaches - from just about every camp & perspective that is out there - detailed references to global systemic alternatives - & you say that there is no detail? LOL.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 4:55:07 GMT
The difference is that I take care not to be dogmatic where there is ambiguity, uncertainty,
So, these days, what I say/write is peppered with words such as seemingly likehood probabilty possibly chance apparent....
You said that psychiatrists/doctors are more 'circumspect' but googling 'schizophrenia, many definitions start with 'schizophrenia is ...as if there were no mixed resukts in the research.
And there is always statistics Eg in 10% there was evidence of x y c. Why not in the rest, the 90%? Wow 10% teports the media.
(Ambiguity. the quality of being open to more than one interpretation; inexactness.)
(Dogmatic.nclined to lay down principles as undeniably true)
A second issue for me is what we mean by being ill or unwell when it comes to mental health.The DSM is full social/cultural/personal subjectivities.
This was raised by Marius Romme and Sondra Escher when they first held a Congress oh hearing voices .One of your posts gives a finding that some people hear voices which do not trouble them or indeed enrich their lives.
And many notions around behaviour are cultural but deviance can be said to be a symptom of mental illness with vaying degrees of dogmaticism.
( I've just seen on Amazon that their paperback Accepting Voices is selling for £71.95. Perhaps I should sell mine!)
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 5:03:16 GMT
Detail. I should have been more specific. I am referring (yet again) to IMPLEMENTATION of support services.
What support should be available to someone described as being in a psychotic state - culturally? Spiritually?
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 5:06:14 GMT
And I was asking YOU with respect to YOUR Integral Model.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 5:14:04 GMT
You ask how am I any different with my highly critical view of psychiatry / pharma & focus on the sociological / cultural / environment?
I very rarely use personal attacks.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 5:23:21 GMT
What's the issue in seeing people as mentally ill & it being a problem with their biology? You ask.
Unjustified claims made on the basis of research whether by researchers of people picking up on research eg the media is the problem.
And, as ever, the issue as to whether there is a fundamental biological dysfunction or this arises through environmental impacts eg affecting levels of serontonin.(chicken or egg)
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 5:26:04 GMT
There are myriad questions as well as to what a more ideal society would entail & how to change the current dominant scientific / biomedical / political / socioeconomic / religious / academic / cultural / establishment / nationalist etc systems to something a lot better?
YUP.
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2022 9:52:23 GMT
i had the usual very disturbed sleep / very odd dreams - have awoken anxious - my head filled with the same paranoia / fears / anxiety.
i think that you & others will criticize anything & everything put forward; regardless of what any of it is.
Rightly or wrongly, detailed or not, i have done my best to lay out in the project plan / source documents & other areas of the forum with what i would like to see. i am simply one person suffering long term severe mental illness who tried to do something to make some kind of a difference to improving mental health treatment / society & what i thought may benefit people. i think it's pretty pointless now trying to use the internet to effect any kind of positive social change.
i consider what is in the project plan & source documents & other parts of the forum highly detailed & comprehensive; especially in regards to what they are referencing. Take it or leave it all.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 10:50:50 GMT
I respect and admire you for what you have done and tried to do.
But , not surprisingly , you don't know me exceot in the very generalised categories you place people into in relationship to your own understandings.
I'm going to try and answer your question about my problem with the biological model. To do this I have to tell my own story. Which you can take or leave 😏
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2022 11:13:12 GMT
I respect and admire you for what you have done and tried to do. But , not surprisingly , you don't know me exceot in the very generalised categories you place people into in relationship to your own understandings. I'm going to try and answer your question about my problem with the biological model. To do this I have to tell my own story. Which you can take or leave 😏 i understand the criticisms of the biomedical model - i take an integral model.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 19:52:06 GMT
If 10 genes with rare mutations have been found to link to schizophrenia then the day shouldn't be that far off when a blood test will show whether the genes are present or not in a particular individual.
Both D and I had a blood test to check for an inheritable gene mutation for a blood clotting factor, Factor 5 LEIDEN .I inherited it. D didnt.
Genetic testing however raises issues around whether a person wants to know if they have a particular mutation - say a child with a parent diagnosed with schizophrenia and found to have the mutant gene.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 19, 2022 19:59:49 GMT
Presumably it was such tests that confirmed these mutant genes in people diagnosed with schizophrenia.
But the presence of mutant genes in itself may not mean the development of the symptoms of schizophrenia. Such development may rely on 'risk factors ' which may be environmental as with Factor 5 Leiden eg long haul air flights, oestrogen in contraceptives ....
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2022 20:07:00 GMT
If 10 genes with rare mutations have been found to link to schizophrenia then the day shouldn't be that far off when a blood test will show whether the genes are present or not in a particular individual. Both D and I had a blood test to check for an inheritable gene mutation for a blood clotting factor, Factor 5 LEIDEN .I inherited it. D didnt. Genetic testing however raises issues around whether a person wants to know if they have a particular mutation - say a child with a parent diagnosed with schizophrenia and found to have the mutant gene. If science / medicine continues to progress i think there will be a complete mapping of all physiological pathology. Of course there are far deeper philosophical / ontological / phenomenological questions about the nature of what comes under what is deemed to be mental illnesses. i may be wrong, i personally however hold to the viewpoint that there is far more to the human condition than 'just' physiology; not discounting physiology. However we then get into all the World religions / Atheism, Hard & Soft Sciences, psychological / emotional, spiritual, consciousness etc areas of debate. May well turn out that however caused - or as psychiatry states - a combination of biology / psychology / environment that some mental health conditions are genetic / epigenetic brain conditions. There is the potential for far better biomedical treatments. There is i feel a great mystery with the mind / consciousness, but then i believe in the Soul / Spirit.
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Post by Admin on Jun 19, 2022 20:08:04 GMT
Presumably it was such tests that confirmed these mutant genes in people diagnosed with schizophrenia. But the presence of mutant genes in itself may not mean the development of the symptoms of schizophrenia. Such development may rely on 'risk factors ' which may be environmental as with Factor 5 Leiden eg long haul air flights, oestrogen in contraceptives .... Psychiatry states that mental health conditions are a combination of biological, psychological & environmental factors - some also add the spiritual.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 20, 2022 8:42:14 GMT
[Psychiatry states that mental health conditions are a combination of biological, psychological & environmental factors - some also add the spiritual.]
It may , to some extent, do so today, but this was not the situation in the 1960s when William Sargant's Clinical Model and Psychiatric Units in General Hospitals, such as the one I first found myself in were being established.
The aim, as stated in Sargant's autobiography, was for people to be admitted to hospital for just a few weeks while a personal prescription of drugs was got together to enable a person to cope, at home and hopefully at work.
The broader view held, if not practised (satisfactorily) today , is because of the challenges of the critics.
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