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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 19:37:43 GMT
Of course a major issue around accepting biological cause is detention and compulsory treatments (I've posted earlier - and had an artcle published -recognising issues here and mentioned some research)
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 19:44:15 GMT
You agree with a diagnosis of schizophrenia and find medication helpful - as di a lot of people. And people are certainly encouraged in the media to do like wise.
But with the critiques available your personal evaluation doesn't prove this model is right as it stands.
My posts on seontonin and dopamine were more nuanced.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 20:03:40 GMT
Of course a major issue around accepting biological cause is detention and compulsory treatments (I've posted earlier - and had an artcle published -recognising issues here and mentioned some research) Psychiatric treatments - attitudes to mental illness - stigma & discrimination - etc etc - is a separate issue to the causes / nature of mental illness.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:07:15 GMT
You may be tired and burnt out but maybe you are also tiring and burning out others?
All you need to do is speak just for yourself - not making the claim that what you acceot applies to eveyone diagnosed with a sever illness.
Or acknowledge that research today is more nuanced and claim 'possibility' of inherent/genetic cause rather than insisting this is the core with other factors secondary . Take some of the heat out of this conflict.
I had hoped my posts on serontonin and dopamine might have encouraged you to modify slightly your own opinion. You say you recognise the complexities and uncertainties but continue to be just as insistent on (inherent?) biological causes to be at the core of your symptoms- AND everyone else with a similar diagnose.
Because any challenge is threatening to you - as would an undisputed finding of a gene affecting everyone with symptoms of psychosis undermine the significance I place on social and cultural ( and spiritual) aspects?
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 20:08:42 GMT
You agree with a diagnosis of schizophrenia and find medication helpful - as di a lot of people. And people are certainly encouraged in the media to do like wise. But with the critiques available your personal evaluation doesn't prove this model is right as it stands. My posts on seontonin and dopamine were more nuanced. The model i take is integral. i agree that the main symptomatology ranges of psychiatry fit the main diagnostic classifications. i agree that a complex biology is involved in these condition. i agree that medication(s) are helpful for a lot of people. Science & medicine is moving forwards - however just as there is criticism of psychiatry there is criticism of what people want as alternatives. Mental heath is an area people cannot agree on; like religions / Atheism / Politics / socioeconomics / nationalism etc. Mental health is dealing with highly emotive & controversial areas.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:09:42 GMT
Psychiatric treatments are NOT a separate issue to causes. They are based on assumed causes.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 20:11:07 GMT
You may be tired and burnt out but maybe you are also tiring and burning out others? All you need to do is speak just for yourself - not making the claim that what you acceot applies to eveyone diagnosed with a sever illness. Or acknowledge that research today is more nuanced and claim 'possibility' of inherent/genetic cause rather than insisting this is the core with other factors secondary . Take some of the heat out of this conflict. I had hoped my posts on serontonin and dopamine might have encouraged you to modify slightly your own opinion. You say you recognise the complexities and uncertainties but continue to be just as insistent on (inherent?) biological causes to be at the core of your symptoms- AND everyone else with a similar diagnose. Because any challenge is threatening to you - as would an undisputed finding of a gene affecting everyone with symptoms of psychosis undermine the significance I place on social and cultural ( and spiritual) aspects? i have been very clear that i take an integral model, however i am not going to deny the realities & severity of some mental illnesses or the science / medicine that biology is heavily involved. You deny it all; but you are of a certain camp in all this.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 20:12:37 GMT
Psychiatric treatments are NOT a separate issue to causes. They are based on assumed causes. It is highly complex how science / medicine / psychiatry has evolved - however international psychiatry does take an integral model.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:19:12 GMT
Symptoms fitting diagnosis. Of course they do! A range of conditions(symptoms) are recognised as not good health, grouped together and given a label.
Again a quick look at definitions on the internet shows overlap so now there a spectrum of schizophrenia and types 1, 2, 3 of bipolar (and one that doesn't quite fit the scheme) and a mix leading to a diagnosis of schizo-affective disirder. And a term for anyone who is still grieving 12 months after a bereavement
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:33:12 GMT
Why on earth should I take seriously anything you say when despite my making the effortt to explain my position you still insist , as you did at the beginning, that I am denying biology and in some camp on another bank where your arrows are aimed when I am not in cahoots in them?
Such misjudgement and insistence could I guess be part of the cognitive issues assigned to schizophrenia?
You've got under my skin . I could have used my time better today as I've things I need to do before heading off to see D tomorow
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:36:20 GMT
An integral model is little use until serious thought is given to how the different aspects can be implemented and whether any aspect is indespensible and in what way.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 20:38:41 GMT
My personal model is as integral as yours but the specifics differ
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 21:13:23 GMT
An integral model would not have become acceptable and international without people fighting for the prevailing psychiatric model pre 2000 to be made less narrow and that included a mere handful of psychiatrists - nor without other social and culural changes .
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2022 21:14:15 GMT
Why on earth should I take seriously anything you say when despite my making the effortt to explain my position you still insist , as you did at the beginning, that I am denying biology and in some camp on another bank where your arrows are aimed when I am not in cahoots in them? Such misjudgement and insistence could I guess be part of the cognitive issues assigned to schizophrenia? You've got under my skin . I could have used my time better today as I've things I need to do before heading off to see D tomorow Hope that it goes well with D. You ought to maybe look more at the current research on genetics & neurology.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 21:26:16 GMT
The Alternatives are pioneering, often dependent on volunteers, and need to put a lot of energy into fundraising, consequently few in number. I recognise there are issues. Some have features i'm not keen on.
It's a weak argument to say there are also objections to alternatuves that have been/are being proposed. If course there are.
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