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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 5:41:29 GMT
I suppose that different people frame and understand ....
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 7:00:01 GMT
Truth facts evidence My position is that Truth facts and evidence are all relative. Take science. acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:759701b3-a679-3244-83a6-26faf3094a21By definition, science is the. observation, identification, description, experimental investigation, and theoretical explanation of. natural phenomena..... Four steps are involved in the scientific method: observation deduction hypothesis testing .... Often this is expressed as a statistical test of measured variables.... If an experiment can be repeated with the same results, especially if conducted by different scientists, it lends credence to the reliability or correctness of the hypothesis being tested. *** So science LENDS CREDENCE to an HYPOTHESIS and results are often statistical, exptessing PROBABILITY. At base, facts are subjective. Context Classical mechanics describes the behavior of macroscopic bodies, which have relatively small velocities compared to the speed of light. Quantum mechanics describes the behavior of microscopic bodies such as subatomic particles, atoms, and other small bodies. So classical mechanics can be used to send send space craft into the cosmos but things would be diffetent is the spacecraft was travelling nrar the speed of light. We can calculate the spped of an apple falling from a tree using Newtonian physics. Simple. Adequate for most purposes. Or we could spend hours using Einstein's equations to get mote or less the same result bit more tepresentative of 'reality'.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 7:08:56 GMT
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 7:10:52 GMT
Evidence.
Again subjective. Eg how much credence we might give to ,say, a particular piece of research. Re psychiatric research I would expect you and I to disagree at some level - in terms of the hyothesis, the design of the research, how it was carried out, conclusions drawn ....publication, application.
And other evidence? Anecdotal? Usually some quantative research is called for to back up conclusions drawn from anecdotal evidence
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 7:38:35 GMT
Truth www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/absolute-truthIn general, absolute truth is whatever is always valid, regardless of parameters or context. Are various definitions - philosophical , scientific, mathematical. *** Inteteresting that this deescription doesn't include SPIRITUAL truths. As I see it these are something that may be experienced or taken through faith (another person's experiential claims). But words alone are inadequate to explain it your 'truth is what is'. You say truth may be hard to face. You have most surely experienced things I havent. I 've read all kinds of assertions about truths/enlightment but few that 'ring true' to me . I'm left with 'inklings' - but no doubt about the non-duality of existence. Source - surely. Spirit - a sense to me.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 7:49:18 GMT
On way to further our understanding is to do what you have done in your extensive explorations/study (mind blowing!) - and experiences with 'imbibing various substances' ?
I'm sure there are many dimensions to truth . And suspect that the Absolute Truth may not be available to us humans (yet or ever) though we may touch aspects .
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 9:14:19 GMT
We have various ways of trying to understand truth & reality - however surely truth / facts / evidence is what is & the totality of what is - the issue is that people argue over what that is.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 9:16:22 GMT
I'm sure there are many dimensions to truth . And suspect that the Absolute Truth may not be available to us humans (yet or ever) though we may touch aspects . To me part of it depends if you believe some of the accounts & experiences of the Mystics / Avatars / Enlightened / Mahatmas etc; & some of the areas of spiritual exploration. But it becomes so subjective & individual.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 9:43:49 GMT
I'm left with 'inklings' - but no doubt about the non-duality of existence. Source - surely. Spirit - a sense to me. There are loads of inter life researchers & books. Here are a few - Journey of Souls by Michael Newton, Llewellen Publications, 1997. www.afterlife101.com/Journey_of_Souls.htmlwww.newtoninstitute.org/publication/journey-of-the-souls/www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk5bSG78pbQIan Lawton - ianlawton.com/alindex.htmlYour Soul's Plan Your Soul’s Plan: Discovering the Real Meaning of the Life You Planned Before You Were Born explores the pre-birth planning of physical illness, having disabled children, deafness, blindness, drug addiction, alcoholism, the death of a loved one, and accidents. yoursoulsplan.com/The Afterlife of Billy Fingers www.afterlifeofbillyfingers.com/THE MAP OF HEAVEN How Science, Religion, and Ordinary People Are Proving the Afterlife ebenalexander.com/books/the-map-of-heaven/Brenda Davies - www.brendadavies.com/work/IANDS - www.iands.org/ndes/about-ndes/what-is-an-nde.htmlA very interesting Author - He charts 12 Densities. Soul Travel: The Key to Gaining Cosmic and Spiritual Powers by Grant H. Pealer Untold Jesus: The Two Thousand Year Old Secret by Grant H. Pealer Worlds Beyond Death: The Sacred Key by Grant H Pealer Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Heaven by Grant H Pealer Little Gods - Rev. Grant Pealer www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw4haSwSj4YThe 12 dimensional or Domain system healingsanctuary.proboards.com/thread/7697/12-dimensional-domain-system
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 9:44:57 GMT
i can't believe that planet earth / the cosmos / physical existence is the totality of all that is.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 11:01:49 GMT
Soul's plan I don't like that thought at all. I don't really like any suggestions of before - after life.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 16, 2022 11:36:17 GMT
But I am puzzled by our existence and our capacity to discover/know so much about our planet, even the universe.
And I know that humans have asked questions and provided answers in a various ways over time.
I'm most comfortable with the notion of stardust to stardust : humans manifested out of the material of this earth and universe and breaking down into these same elements to be 'recycled'
BUT I acceot that we only know so much. There is a lot we don't know.
You have said that TNH is atheist and according to most definitions he is but to me he isn't the image the word conjures up. In his book comparing christianity and buddhism he mentions how he sees 'god' but I've forgotten what he wrote.
I do think and feel there is 'something more' and people have tried to articulate this but I'm not 'enlighted ' to whar it is.
But thanks for the links. I'll dip into them.
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 12:30:57 GMT
But I am puzzled by our existence and our capacity to discover/know so much about our planet, even the universe. And I know that humans have asked questions and provided answers in a various ways over time. I'm most comfortable with the notion of stardust to stardust : humans manifested out of the material of this earth and universe and breaking down into these same elements to be 'recycled' BUT I acceot that we only know so much. There is a lot we don't know. You have said that TNH is atheist and according to most definitions he is but to me he isn't the image the word conjures up. In his book comparing christianity and buddhism he mentions how he sees 'god' but I've forgotten what he wrote. I do think and feel there is 'something more' and people have tried to articulate this but I'm not 'enlighted ' to whar it is. But thanks for the links. I'll dip into them. There is imo an immense wisdom & intelligence within nature & the Cosmos - & so perhaps it is star dust to stardust? Traditionally the spirituality of the UK was / is Celtic Druid / English Shamanic. Perhaps Biopantheism is correct - that 'all' there is is the Planet / Life / Universe. i don't know & i don't have the answers, but i also don't think that science has fully answered questions around the nature of consciousness / awareness, & i do wonder what it is people are reporting with all the NDE / OBE / Enlightenment / inter life experiences?
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2022 21:49:47 GMT
Evidence. Again subjective. Eg how much credence we might give to ,say, a particular piece of research. Re psychiatric research I would expect you and I to disagree at some level - in terms of the hyothesis, the design of the research, how it was carried out, conclusions drawn ....publication, application. And other evidence? Anecdotal? Usually some quantative research is called for to back up conclusions drawn from anecdotal evidence Are people mentally ill? Logically & Rationally yes they are to various degrees & in various ways. Is biology involved? Logically & Rationally yes to various degrees & in various ways. Does psychiatric diagnosis & treatment help people who are mentally ill? Logically & Rationally yes to various degrees & in various ways. No psychiatry / medicine / science isn't perfect & doesn't know everything - But it has & is progressing.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Jun 17, 2022 9:28:41 GMT
My only contention here is how we are defining 'ill' .
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