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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 7:44:31 GMT
Lord, thank you for Admin and Blueberry. I consider them dear friends. They are discussing the things of God, each on a journey to find healing. Because of your mercy, Jesus, and for the advancement of the Kingdom, please deal with them graciously. Forgive any sin and bless them just like you've blessed me. Heal them, mind, body, and soul. Let them experience a supernatural wholeness. Heal them of any and all emotional trauma. Reverse any generational curses. Push back any demonic oppression and strongholds with your hosts of angels. Perform Your will in their lives in such a way that it could only be You. For your namesake, I consider all of this done in Jesus' name. I bind up the strong man and take over the houses in the matchless name of Jesus' Christ. Let the reversal of their Fortune be dramatic, just like it was for me. Amen. Thankyou. xx
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 8:26:27 GMT
I don't think God is an old man with a beard. Is just how people have perceived it. And let's face it men command more respect in this world, and always have. So was 'natural' for God to be seen as a 'he'. I think most people would see the idea of a black woman being God as ridiculous.. but no more ridiculous than them being a man. Given that they made all of Creation, according to Christianity, they are not likely to take the form of a human. There must be many species out there..that is in the universe. I am just used to saying 'He'. The main thing is what 'He' has done and does, rather than what form 'He' takes. i think it's very hard to categorically know / state what the full extent of all that is / truth & reality is. The extent of all that is; the entirety of all truth & reality, is likely to be so vast that i can't see how all human knowledge / imagination / wisdom / experience - all mythology, religions, spirituality, science & philosophy is barely scratching the surface with it all. Humanity itself i'd wager is less than a grain of sand in the circle of Life & yet the human Ego / arrogance is enormous. i think that we have barley even begun to evolve a deeper understanding of the whole of truth & reality - there is so much that we simply do not know. We're on this tiny blue speck within an incomprehensibly vast cosmos / reality, within a very small sliver of time. & as a species of naked ape, i really do wonder what our actual ability / potential to come to a deeper understanding of everything really is? I agree that we can't know everything as a species, only God, or whatever you choose to call God, can.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 8:28:33 GMT
I don't think God is an old man with a beard. Is just how people have perceived it. And let's face it men command more respect in this world, and always have. So was 'natural' for God to be seen as a 'he'. I think most people would see the idea of a black woman being God as ridiculous.. but no more ridiculous than them being a man. Given that they made all of Creation, according to Christianity, they are not likely to take the form of a human. There must be many species out there..that is in the universe. I am just used to saying 'He'. The main thing is what 'He' has done and does, rather than what form 'He' takes. i tend to agree with the mystics - that infinity is incomprehensible to the mind / intellect / ego. The 'idea' of Samadhi. That Self / God realization / Enlightenment / Gnosis etc - is beyond the Ego (identification with / as mind / body / emotions) & shows also why it is so rare. I liked what I have seen of Krishnamurti. He seemed to embody this kind of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 8:29:44 GMT
Just to be clear, I am a novice reader of the Bible. You will have more knowledge of the texts than me, Admin. But as far as Christians go, have met loving and non loving ones. i think that you would be far better off reading things like - The Gnosis and the Law by Tellis S. Papastavro The Mukhya Upanishads & The Rigveda The Secret Doctrine by Helena Blavatsky Anacalypsis by Godfrey Higgins The Collected Works of C. G. Jung Buddha: His Life, His Doctrine, His Order by Hermann Oldenberg The Great Initiates: A Study of the Secret History of Religions by édouard Schuré Thank you again. xxx I have a lot of reading to do!
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 8:44:07 GMT
The fact that you still like Jesus despite the muck of Christian Church history is wonderful. Well, i also like Krishna, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Robert Adams, Carl Jung, Mahāvatār Bābājī, Peter Deunov, Bede Griffiths, Adi Shankara, Anthony de Mello & many others. The evidence is that Christ existed, & was a spiritual teacher. Beyond that i'm not sure on all the rest of it, most of it i think is made up. Money, Politics, Religions are used to control people. i try my best to be kind & peaceful & of service to others / life - to try & do good, as an imperfect naked ape / human. My main practice is non duality & has been for the past 18 years, i am also more & more inclined towards science. i'm not a Christian - i don't agree with the main tenets / beliefs of Christianity. i don't follow any specific religion / belief system. Christianity is still the World's largest religion - i'm not sure that it's that helpful for people suffering mental illness, especially for people with psychotic disorders. i also don't agree that Christianity / Christians can absolve themselves of responsibility for the wider wrongs of Christianity within 'Civilization' by stating that Jesus was OK, it strikes me as a complete abdication of personal responsibility.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 9:09:11 GMT
Thank you again. xxx I have a lot of reading to do! The Red Book by Carl Jung In Search of the Miraculous by P. D. Ouspensky The Seven Mysteries of Life: An Exploration in Science & Philosophy by Guy Murchie Relativity by Einstein Splendor Solis ("The Splendour of the Sun") Elementary Treatise of Occult Science by GC Papus Are some others. We're not here long & i think it's wise to look at a whole range of authors / areas / subjects as regards to spirituality. There is a lot beyond exoteric Christianity / Christian Theology.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:13:22 GMT
The fact that you still like Jesus despite the muck of Christian Church history is wonderful. Well, i also like Krishna, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Robert Adams, Carl Jung, Mahāvatār Bābājī, Peter Deunov, Bede Griffiths, Adi Shankara, Anthony de Mello & many others. The evidence is that Christ existed, & was a spiritual teacher. Beyond that i'm not sure on all the rest of it, most of it i think is made up. Money, Politics, Religions are used to control people. i try my best to be kind & peaceful & of service to others / life - to try & do good, as an imperfect naked ape / human. My main practice is non duality & has been for the past 18 years, i am also more & more inclined towards science. i'm not a Christian - i don't agree with the main tenets / beliefs of Christianity. i don't follow any specific religion / belief system. Christianity is still the World's largest religion - i'm not sure that it's that helpful for people suffering mental illness, especially for people with psychotic disorders. i also don't agree that Christianity / Christians can absolve themselves of responsibility for the wider wrongs of Christianity within 'Civilization' by stating that Jesus was OK, it strikes me as a complete abdication of personal responsibility. Some Christians do acknowledge this, and I personally think I've read about this in the Bible, God reserves worse judgement for those who call themselves Christians but do not live their lives by Jesus' teachings. To me there's a bit that describes the Catholic Church very well. Money, politics and religion are used to control people. But is people that are using it to control others; is their choice, and I think God will judge them harshly as well. Science is important, even scientists who don't believe in a higher power might find something with Divine timing. You might not agree with that, but I don't see why science and religion/spirituality can't be compatible. I agree that religion can be a trigger for mh problems. I have found this. But it's taken me all this time to go back and read the Bible, and not be afraid, more comforted. And had an experience recently that worried me. But am feeling more calm about things. Whatever works for you, works for you. I read the tale of Noah recently, and it seemed ridiculous that he lived to such an old age. But miracles do happen, I have heard of them from reliable sources, although I have not witnessed them. They were not making it up. And have had some strange experiences to do with religion and spirituality. So I don't think it is made up. Am certainly not going to tell anyone what they should believe though. We are all imperfect, Admin. Is not anyone's place to tell someone what they must believe, whatever works for you will find its way to you in its own time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:15:02 GMT
The fact that you still like Jesus despite the muck of Christian Church history is wonderful. Well, i also like Krishna, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Robert Adams, Carl Jung, Mahāvatār Bābājī, Peter Deunov, Bede Griffiths, Adi Shankara, Anthony de Mello & many others. The evidence is that Christ existed, & was a spiritual teacher. Beyond that i'm not sure on all the rest of it, most of it i think is made up. Money, Politics, Religions are used to control people. i try my best to be kind & peaceful & of service to others / life - to try & do good, as an imperfect naked ape / human. My main practice is non duality & has been for the past 18 years, i am also more & more inclined towards science. i'm not a Christian - i don't agree with the main tenets / beliefs of Christianity. i don't follow any specific religion / belief system. Christianity is still the World's largest religion - i'm not sure that it's that helpful for people suffering mental illness, especially for people with psychotic disorders. i also don't agree that Christianity / Christians can absolve themselves of responsibility for the wider wrongs of Christianity within 'Civilization' by stating that Jesus was OK, it strikes me as a complete abdication of personal responsibility. Of course not. "Judgement begins with the household of God." We need to extend mercy to those outside the faith and save our strictest standards for leaders within. No one escapes justice because they're a priest or a pastor. If anything, they should be held even more accountable. Churches need to stop being naive about evil and allowing wicked people to harm others under a religious guise. When you say non-duality... Do you mean rejecting the idea of good and evil? Also, you said Christianity is harmful to psychotic types. I'd agree that Christians themselves put them in a lose-lose box out of ignorance. But it has only helped my recovery.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 9:17:21 GMT
Am certainly not going to tell anyone what they should believe though. We are all imperfect, Admin. Is not anyone's place to tell someone what they must believe, whatever works for you will find its way to you in its own time. It is a major part of the Christian religion to tell people what to think & believe, on pain of eternal damnation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:20:42 GMT
Am certainly not going to tell anyone what they should believe though. We are all imperfect, Admin. Is not anyone's place to tell someone what they must believe, whatever works for you will find its way to you in its own time. It is a major part of the Christian religion to tell people what to think & believe, on pain of eternal damnation. Still, it's the other person's choice to believe or not willingly.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 9:20:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:21:42 GMT
Well, i also like Krishna, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Robert Adams, Carl Jung, Mahāvatār Bābājī, Peter Deunov, Bede Griffiths, Adi Shankara, Anthony de Mello & many others. The evidence is that Christ existed, & was a spiritual teacher. Beyond that i'm not sure on all the rest of it, most of it i think is made up. Money, Politics, Religions are used to control people. i try my best to be kind & peaceful & of service to others / life - to try & do good, as an imperfect naked ape / human. My main practice is non duality & has been for the past 18 years, i am also more & more inclined towards science. i'm not a Christian - i don't agree with the main tenets / beliefs of Christianity. i don't follow any specific religion / belief system. Christianity is still the World's largest religion - i'm not sure that it's that helpful for people suffering mental illness, especially for people with psychotic disorders. i also don't agree that Christianity / Christians can absolve themselves of responsibility for the wider wrongs of Christianity within 'Civilization' by stating that Jesus was OK, it strikes me as a complete abdication of personal responsibility. Some Christians do acknowledge this, and I personally think I've read about this in the Bible, God reserves worse judgement for those who call themselves Christians but do not live their lives by Jesus' teachings. To me there's a bit that describes the Catholic Church very well. Money, politics and religion are used to control people. But is people that are using it to control others; is their choice, and I think God will judge them harshly as well. Science is important, even scientists who don't believe in a higher power might find something with Divine timing. You might not agree with that, but I don't see why science and religion/spirituality can't be compatible. I agree that religion can be a trigger for mh problems. I have found this. But it's taken me all this time to go back and read the Bible, and not be afraid, more comforted. And had an experience recently that worried me. But am feeling more calm about things. Whatever works for you, works for you. I read the tale of Noah recently, and it seemed ridiculous that he lived to such an old age. But miracles do happen, I have heard of them from reliable sources, although I have not witnessed them. They were not making it up. And have had some strange experiences to do with religion and spirituality. So I don't think it is made up. Am certainly not going to tell anyone what they should believe though. We are all imperfect, Admin. Is not anyone's place to tell someone what they must believe, whatever works for you will find its way to you in its own time. Spot on about the Catholic Church and everything else.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 9:21:52 GMT
It is a major part of the Christian religion to tell people what to think & believe, on pain of eternal damnation. Still, it's the other person's choice to believe or not willingly. i don't agree with it all, i think it's wrong, & very wrong in relation to the indoctrination of children.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 9:23:21 GMT
Am certainly not going to tell anyone what they should believe though. We are all imperfect, Admin. Is not anyone's place to tell someone what they must believe, whatever works for you will find its way to you in its own time. It is a major part of the Christian religion to tell people what to think & believe, on pain of eternal damnation. Well I haven't read the whole thing. But Jesus also preached loving thy neighbour as thyself, the second most important command. To me (I could be wrong) this can mean treating others as you would want to be treated yourself. And I would not want someone telling me that I would go to Hell unless I believed what they did. Different churches have different beliefs. I was reminded recently by a Christian friend that people have free will. She is open about being a Christian, but she would never force or tell anyone to become one. She is a very loving and forgiving person, very humble, and very compassionate towards people who are oppressed in this society. I don't think it helps, telling people what to think. You need to make your own mind up.
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Post by Admin on Mar 31, 2020 9:31:18 GMT
It is a major part of the Christian religion to tell people what to think & believe, on pain of eternal damnation. Well I haven't read the whole thing. But Jesus also preached loving thy neighbour as thyself, the second most important command. To me (I could be wrong) this can mean treating others as you would want to be treated yourself. And I would not want someone telling me that I would go to Hell unless I believed what they did. Different churches have different beliefs. I was reminded recently by a Christian friend that people have free will. She is open about being a Christian, but she would never force or tell anyone to become one. She is a very loving and forgiving person, very humble, and very compassionate towards people who are oppressed in this society. I don't think it helps, telling people what to think. You need to make your own mind up. The Golden Rule is universal to all religions / spiritual systems. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_RuleRule of Three (Wicca) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_Three_(Wicca)"I was reminded recently by a Christian friend that people have free will. She is open about being a Christian, but she would never force or tell anyone to become one. She is a very loving and forgiving person, very humble, and very compassionate towards people who are oppressed in this society." Your friend could be a very loving and forgiving person, very humble, and very compassionate towards people who are oppressed in this society, as an Atheist / secular humanist, Hindu, Muslim, Shaman, Witch etc - i don't necessarily see what the relevance is of the religion?
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