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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 21:58:05 GMT
In theory, though, if you had the moon, you wouldn't have to wonder about it all anymore. My belief is that we don't want the moon. We say we do. But darkness suits us because we like to hide. We want to live as we please. The moon is beautiful. But lest we be exposed, we keep it dim. From the perspective of the experience / state of Being of genuine Self / God realisation - Gnosis / Samadhi / Moksha / Enlightenment etc, a surrendering of the Ego, realisation & allowance of what is - i think incredibly few people who even have / do attain such states. This is a Dark & Sick planet - it's an Age of the Ego. i don't think many people do want to even attempt to try & follow a genuinely dedicated & disciplined path of spiritual practise. & i'd wager it takes many thousands of lifetimes to graduate incarnation & attain a deeper realisation / awareness. Maybe : )
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 21:58:13 GMT
Satisfied and happy. We literally agree on nothing but you patiently allowed me to explain myself on a forum where you could've ejected me at any time. It is rather big of you, and a rare thing in a world of constant strife. It takes character to respect a person you disagree with. I hope all kinds of discussions can be more like this. i don't mind agreeing to disagree. i want to try & make this a forum where people can be free to respectfully share & discuss whatever they like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 21:59:50 GMT
Satisfied and happy. We literally agree on nothing but you patiently allowed me to explain myself on a forum where you could've ejected me at any time. It is rather big of you, and a rare thing in a world of constant strife. It takes character to respect a person you disagree with. I hope all kinds of discussions can be more like this. i don't mind agreeing to disagree. i want to try & make this a forum where people can be free to respectfully share & discuss whatever they like. Well done.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:05:56 GMT
In theory, though, if you had the moon, you wouldn't have to wonder about it all anymore. My belief is that we don't want the moon. We say we do. But darkness suits us because we like to hide. We want to live as we please. The moon is beautiful. But lest we be exposed, we keep it dim. From the perspective of the experience / state of Being of genuine Self / God realisation - Gnosis / Samadhi / Moksha / Enlightenment etc, a surrendering of the Ego, realisation & allowance of what is - i think incredibly few people who even have / do attain such states. This is a Dark & Sick planet - it's an Age of the Ego. i don't think many people do want to even attempt to try & follow a genuinely dedicated & disciplined path of spiritual practise. & i'd wager it takes many thousands of lifetimes to graduate incarnation & attain a deeper realisation / awareness. I do not understand all of God fully. It would take eternity. I believe He is infinite. I don't understand fully His kindness sometimes. Some days, I feel like I would have destroyed everything again a long time ago. I don't understand why He loves me. I know He likes faith. But I was pretty much the worse Christian ever and feel like I'm only now scratching the surface. I understand why God doesn't save everyone. They must choose. We have free will. But at the same time, I don't understand. I often ask Him to save all 7 billion people on this planet. Not sure if He will do that but I know He's good and that's His desire that everybody come to know Him. I don't understand why I hallucinate. I don't understand why death is a thing. I don't think I'll ever get used to it. But eventually, I think I'll understand more.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 22:11:57 GMT
I do not understand all of God fully. It would take eternity. I believe He is infinite. I don't understand fully His kindness sometimes. Some days, I feel like I would have destroyed everything again a long time ago. I don't understand why He loves me. I know He likes faith. But I was pretty much the worse Christian ever and feel like I'm only now scratching the surface. I understand why God doesn't save everyone. They must choose. We have free will. But at the same time, I don't understand. I often ask Him to save all 7 billion people on this planet. Not sure if He will do that but I know He's good and that's His desire that everybody come to know Him. I don't understand why I hallucinate. I don't understand why death is a thing. I don't think I'll ever get used to it. But eventually, I think I'll understand more. i don't think that you need to be a Christian or follow any religion / system to have a spiritual path & practice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_but_not_religious"Spiritual but not religious" (SBNR), also known as "Spiritual but not affiliated" (SBNA), is a popular phrase and initialism used to self-identify a life stance of spirituality that takes issue with organized religion as the sole or most valuable means of furthering spiritual growth. Historically, the words religious and spiritual have been used synonymously to describe all the various aspects of the concept of religion,[1] but in contemporary usage spirituality has often become associated with the interior life of the individual,[2][1] placing an emphasis upon the well-being of the "mind-body-spirit",[3]:63 while religion refers to organizational or communal dimensions.[1]
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:13:57 GMT
I do not understand all of God fully. It would take eternity. I believe He is infinite. I don't understand fully His kindness sometimes. Some days, I feel like I would have destroyed everything again a long time ago. I don't understand why He loves me. I know He likes faith. But I was pretty much the worse Christian ever and feel like I'm only now scratching the surface. I understand why God doesn't save everyone. They must choose. We have free will. But at the same time, I don't understand. I often ask Him to save all 7 billion people on this planet. Not sure if He will do that but I know He's good and that's His desire that everybody come to know Him. I don't understand why I hallucinate. I don't understand why death is a thing. I don't think I'll ever get used to it. But eventually, I think I'll understand more. i don't think that you need to be a Christian or follow any religion / system to have a spiritual path & practice. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_but_not_religious"Spiritual but not religious" (SBNR), also known as "Spiritual but not affiliated" (SBNA), is a popular phrase and initialism used to self-identify a life stance of spirituality that takes issue with organized religion as the sole or most valuable means of furthering spiritual growth. Historically, the words religious and spiritual have been used synonymously to describe all the various aspects of the concept of religion,[1] but in contemporary usage spirituality has often become associated with the interior life of the individual,[2][1] placing an emphasis upon the well-being of the "mind-body-spirit",[3]:63 while religion refers to organizational or communal dimensions.[1] Of course you don't. We are all spiritual beings. I just don't believe in all paths to God.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 22:18:07 GMT
Of course you don't. We are all spiritual beings. I just don't believe in all paths to God. We can be all inclusive of all people - lots of examples - Unitarian Universalism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_UniversalismChrist taught a Unity consciousness - Oneness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:19:59 GMT
I would never say that an atheist was not spiritual. Some of them are farther along than some "Christians". I think you can be an atheist and be a relatively better person than a very religious person.
However, I believe God is perfect and that having God requires perfection.
Christians believe all sin separates us from God, hence Jesus as the sinless sacrifice, mediator, and Lord.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:22:27 GMT
Of course you don't. We are all spiritual beings. I just don't believe in all paths to God. We can be all inclusive of all people - lots of examples - Unitarian Universalism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_UniversalismChrist taught a Unity consciousness - Oneness. Christ is inclusive in the sense that anyone can become His disciple. But discipleship requires exclusive devotion to Jesus. He doesn't share glory with other God's, ideologies, or political goals. I think Universal Unitarianism is a departure from Christ
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:36:31 GMT
What I failed to get and what the modern church in America has largely abandoned is the simple life of Jesus as Lord.
Early disciples understood that their life wasn't their own. Jesus gets to be the Boss. You do what He says when He says how He says.
The irony is that in doing that, spiritual benefits like overcoming sin, love, joy, and peace, healings, miracles, etc follow this lifestyle.
But we Christians have so many false teachers, we keep getting it wrong. s a result we don't have any power or joy. We can't heal or love our enemies or move mountains or even stop porn addictions because we haven't fully surrendered ourselves.
That's what repentance actually is. That's what I found when I actually read the Bible and stopped trying to follow popular Christian leaders and sayings.
We're supposed to be persecuted for our stance on truth, but supernaturally gifted and loving. But we get it wrong more often than we get it right because of popular theologians, preachers, authors, and seminaries.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 22:37:07 GMT
Christ is inclusive in the sense that anyone can become His disciple. But discipleship requires exclusive devotion to Jesus. He doesn't share glory with other God's, ideologies, or political goals. I think Universal Unitarianism is a departure from Christ This is why i'm not Christian. i don't agree with a lot of the Christian interpretation of what Christ taught or who he was.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 22:39:26 GMT
We're supposed to be persecuted for our stance on truth, but supernaturally gifted and loving. But we get it wrong more often than we get it right because of popular theologians, preachers, authors, and seminaries. But as per the original post / article - this is part of the Age Old arguments / disagreement - on what is Truth, what Christ taught, & what it means to be a True Christian.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 22:49:02 GMT
We're supposed to be persecuted for our stance on truth, but supernaturally gifted and loving. But we get it wrong more often than we get it right because of popular theologians, preachers, authors, and seminaries. But as per the original post / article - this is part of the Age Old arguments / disagreement - on what is Truth, what Christ taught, & what it means to be a True Christian. Well, I tried the popular way. The popular way is just trust in the grace of Jesus and you're saved even if you can't get over sin. That's not biblical. They expected the disciples to completely renounce sin. That is shocking to most Christians today because the popular saying is that no one can go a day without sinning. Jesus said, Go and sin no more. If it were impossible, I don't think He would have said it. Of course if you sin, you confess and you're forgiven. But sin isn't supposed to kick your butt. If sin is kicking your butt, it's because your whole life isn't under the Lordship of Jesus. That's what I get from the Bible. When I tried it that way, it worked out exactly like the results were supposed to look. My Christianity was ineffective because I was only trying to manage sin--- not die to it. My pet peeves is with church leaders. They don't teach die to sin anymore. They teach belief that Jesus saves is the only sign you need that you are with Jesus So yes, there are a lot of interpretations on how to do the Christian thing. But I honestly found that rejecting popular opinions and just sticking with the Bible worked out a lot better. I couldn't stop sinning. Now I can.
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Post by Admin on Mar 17, 2020 23:37:00 GMT
Well, I tried the popular way. I couldn't stop sinning. Now I can. Whatever works for you & floats your boat - i take a Christian to mean someone who follows the teachings of Christ - the imitation of Christ. Matthew 25:31-46 All the arguments then comes in as to who Christ was & what he taught. The Golden rule appears to be the main thing & that is universal to all religious / spiritual systems - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 23:50:19 GMT
Well, I tried the popular way. I couldn't stop sinning. Now I can. Whatever works for you & floats your boat - i take a Christian to mean someone who follows the teachings of Christ - the imitation of Christ. Matthew 25:31-46 All the arguments then comes in as to who Christ was & what he taught. The Golden rule appears to be the main thing & that is universal to all religious / spiritual systems - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_RuleYes.
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