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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 16:57:02 GMT
The name Roland Barthes springs to mind. It was a few years ago now though. He looks interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:14:40 GMT
Well it scared the shit out of me when I was 17, but the idea of an omnipresent evil that can punish you for not doing what they want is unsettling. Maybe my strength of belief in it was more a symptom of psychosis than OCD and the doctors got it wrong? But one is classified as a neurosis and the other psychosis, so am back to the original question, where does one end and the other begin? It is a very medical model type way of thinking, and not really taking everything into account.
Best to think outside the box really, but people are so lacking in understanding around the whole 'psychosis' thing, once again Hollywood has a part to play there.
i don't think that anyone really understands my experiences & what i experienced aged 17 that lead to the first hospitalisation. But then how could they, they are Not me & haven't experienced it. That it has been labelled & treated & considered to be various things according to different understandings doesn't explain it. In large part i think it was a visionary experience of seeing a deeper level of the reality in which we exist in, & all the reading & research that i have done into the deeper esoteric / occult / shamanic / mystical / alternative areas over the past 30 years does corroborate it all. Not to say that there hasn't also been / is an illness aspect to it all as well. Age 17 at the time of the experience i feel that i needed a lot of proper understanding, care, help & support to work through & integrate it all. OK lets accept that there is a variable pathology to these conditions / experiences & a role for psychiatry, hospitals, treatment & medication, but why is there such a taboo around & such a fear & block around allowing people to openly discuss the content of what they are experiencing? This is part of what i find so very odd with it all. Allowed areas of speech / subjects does appear to be very highly conditioned, & only allowed within very narrow & sanctioned areas & ranges. It is something that has always bemused me. A lot of people get very upset if you go outside of the conditioned / allowed speech parameters. Why? Certain speech, emotions, states of consciousness & behaviours is outlawed & very strictly punished. & what passes as 'normal'? Outright sickness. I agree. People are scared of what they don't know about or understand. I can't talk about what I experienced when I was obviously what a doctor would call 'psychotic' with people unless I want to be told to shut up or be laughed at. That is why I like talking with others who have been through something similar, as they are less judgemental and can relate.
I think having had experiences labelled 'psychotic' can be positive in the right environment, or at least helpful in ways, for a start it opens your mind in ways, but then it tends not to happen to those who are closed minded and judgemental anyway (in my personal experience). That's not to say others who have been through such things can't be judgemental about your choice of explanation or way of dealing with them though, as you know.
Is why I like the HVN as I do see 'psychosis' and its related experiences as meaningful and simply pathologizing them can be and often is counterproductive. For me personally rather than addressing the issues that kept coming up during my episodes taking antipsychotics has not resolved them and they are still not solved, whereas in a more open minded and holistic based environment they would be. If anything the drugs bury the problems and perpetuate the chance of going through another episode. Probably I need to sort out the issues separately but will need to do so outwith the NHS and may not get the help I need as a result of my diagnosis.. that truly is crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:15:42 GMT
The name Roland Barthes springs to mind. It was a few years ago now though. He looks interesting. I can't remember much of it now tbh. I think Michel Foucault came up too, I remember more of him.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 17:16:45 GMT
i don't think that anyone really understands my experiences & what i experienced aged 17 that lead to the first hospitalisation. But then how could they, they are Not me & haven't experienced it. That it has been labelled & treated & considered to be various things according to different understandings doesn't explain it. In large part i think it was a visionary experience of seeing a deeper level of the reality in which we exist in, & all the reading & research that i have done into the deeper esoteric / occult / shamanic / mystical / alternative areas over the past 30 years does corroborate it all. Not to say that there hasn't also been / is an illness aspect to it all as well. Age 17 at the time of the experience i feel that i needed a lot of proper understanding, care, help & support to work through & integrate it all. OK lets accept that there is a variable pathology to these conditions / experiences & a role for psychiatry, hospitals, treatment & medication, but why is there such a taboo around & such a fear & block around allowing people to openly discuss the content of what they are experiencing? This is part of what i find so very odd with it all. Allowed areas of speech / subjects does appear to be very highly conditioned, & only allowed within very narrow & sanctioned areas & ranges. It is something that has always bemused me. A lot of people get very upset if you go outside of the conditioned / allowed speech parameters. Why? Certain speech, emotions, states of consciousness & behaviours is outlawed & very strictly punished. & what passes as 'normal'? Outright sickness. At this stage within human evolution, i don't think that humanity as a whole wants to seriously & honestly explore the whole question / area around severely altered non ordinary states of consciousness / the psychoses / schizophrenia. It is largely taboo. There always has been & are intimations of people wanting to seriously explore it all & find meaning & totally different treatment approaches to it all, but they have been & are always in the minority. The suppression of it all within this current society / system is relentless. People are heavily conditioned to think, communicate, perceive, behave & operate within certain 'normal' parameters, & there are very often very heavy prices to be paid if you stray outside of it all.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 17:29:23 GMT
Is why I like the HVN as I do see 'psychosis' and its related experiences as meaningful and simply pathologizing them can be and often is counterproductive. For me personally rather than addressing the issues that kept coming up during my episodes taking antipsychotics has not resolved them and they are still not solved, whereas in a more open minded and holistic based environment they would be. If anything the drugs bury the problems and perpetuate the chance of going through another episode. Probably I need to sort out the issues separately but will need to do so outwith the NHS and may not get the help I need as a result of my diagnosis.. that truly is crazy. The same catch 22 / double bind that i have been in my whole life. i have found it impossible to resolve, & there is no way that i can go into another medication withdrawal & the associated severity of psychosis without proper, practical & appropriate understanding, help & support - that i have found impossible to access or create. & so the current situation that i have been in for 28 years & past 14 years since i accepted the diagnosis & medication. It is infuriating. i also think that it is a very grave injustice, but that is the current realities of this society / system / 'civilisation'. We have in very large part been put into this conundrum by this society / system / the NHS / pharma & psychiatric Industry - i don't see what really we could have & could do about it all? You have seen some of the ways that i have argued & battled for alternatives to it all & better / proper treatment - it has been to little avail. & as you said in the other thread, it is really the responsibility of the wider society / system to change it all, to genuinely reform the mental health system / treatment & do something about it all - But they won't.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 17:46:14 GMT
I'm sorry, Admin, that you have been through this all your life and that things have panned out as they have, but none of it has been your fault and at least you have tried to do the right thing and change things for the better for yourself and others. It is the responsibility of those who have the ability to do so to genuinely improve the help and treatment people receive, be it on their heads for not doing so, it certainly should be.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 18:04:43 GMT
I'm sorry, Admin, that you have been through this all your life and that things have panned out as they have, but none of it has been your fault and at least you have tried to do the right thing and change things for the better for yourself and others. It is the responsibility of those who have the ability to do so to genuinely improve the help and treatment people receive, be it on their heads for not doing so, it certainly should be. Thank you. You know as well as i do how everything operates. & as much as we'd both like to see a transformation of everything within this society, i just don't think it's going to happen.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 18:28:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 18:38:27 GMT
They don't understand it all, and should not pretend as such. It just isn't that simple.
There might be a element of truth in what the mainstream medical model says, but it's an element and not the whole picture.
And it's obvious to anyone multiple psychiatric diagnoses (pretty much anyone in the system right now) that what are considered mental illnesses are not separate entities as they all overlap. It's all very subjective and depends on who is making the final decision on which label to apply.
This is reductionist and deterministic, and purely theoretical in nature. We will find another study next week that says something different. They don't have a clue.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 26, 2018 19:14:46 GMT
How convenient to blame it all on a person's personality rather then their environment, life challenges, stress, poverty etc etc
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2018 11:43:44 GMT
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2018 13:44:13 GMT
Another literary win against the stigma of mental illness By Yasmin Anwar, Media Relations| DECEMBER 11, 2018 "It’s a deep dive into my family’s enforced silence about my father’s lifelong misdiagnosed and heavily stigmatized mental illness,” says Hinshaw. As for the main takeaway of Another Kind of Madness, “Despite our greater knowledge of mental illness in modern times, pervasive shame and stigma are still the core factors preventing treatment, better research and a more inclusive society." news.berkeley.edu/2018/12/11/another-kind-of-madness/
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2018 14:28:48 GMT
I'm sorry, Admin, that you have been through this all your life and that things have panned out as they have, but none of it has been your fault and at least you have tried to do the right thing and change things for the better for yourself and others. It is the responsibility of those who have the ability to do so to genuinely improve the help and treatment people receive, be it on their heads for not doing so, it certainly should be. i can fully see the point that the 'drop the disorder'; anti / critical / alternative areas are making, i just don't think that can come at a denial of what comes under the realities of mental health experiences / difficulties - there has to be an associated reform of the society / system in how everyone is treated, & people need proper & appropriate understanding, help & support. i can understand the argument as to how are you meant to recover from a label / diagnosis - But i can also understand that if suffering serious difficulties it needs to be acknowledged within this society / system & is needed for what social help & support is available. i don't see this conundrum being resolved within the current society / system. Then there is the fact that a lot of people don't seem to care or have any genuine compassion for people deemed to be suffering mental illnesses; psychological / emotional & associated social difficulties. Sadly the genuinely liberal attitudes & approaches also appear to be waning.
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2018 15:03:38 GMT
Part of OCD is facing your fears and dealing with them. I tend to run away from problems which is probably why I am still stuck in the same loop. i think that unresolved trauma & unresolved / unhealthy fear does underlay a lot of psychological / emotional difficulties. If we felt genuinely calm, peaceful, relaxed, safe & good, then there would Not be the same issues.
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Post by Admin on Dec 28, 2018 15:44:26 GMT
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