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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2018 13:28:13 GMT
What is Schizophrenia?
“A good question, with no simple, short, or straightforward answer, since each sufferer is unique and schizophrenia is a complex phenomenon. In general, schizophrenia is an extremely introverted, psychospiritual mode of perception, or way of relating to the world; or state of consciousness involving (what I have called) ‘extreme empathy’. This simultaneous blessing and curse is due to a fragile, fragmented, dead, or lost ego, or conscious personality structure. The normal, ego-enforced boundaries between the self and the world have broken down, such that schizophrenia sufferers – for better and worse – find themselves identifying with everything within their scope of perception. It is because of this ego loss, or ‘dis-integration’ that psychosis, shamanic initiation and mystical experience are so inextricably bound. The schizophrenic person may appear to family, friends and doctors to be lacking in emotion, but in reality is in a state of intense empathy, such that extreme sensations of joy and fear are usual. Because of their fragile personal boundaries, schizophrenic folk typically see, hear, sense, perceive and understand things that others are unaware of. Secret, or symbolic meanings are seen and heard in everything, and the schizophrenia sufferer typically feels responsible for the fate of the world.”
~~Maureen B. Roberts, PhD. Jungian Therapist & Specialist Consultant on Soul-centred Wholistic Psychiatry Founder & Co-ordinator: Schizophrenia Crisis Centre & Drug-free Helpline [Australia]
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2018 19:51:49 GMT
That's a great description. It sums up my first episode in a nutshell.
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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2018 20:08:05 GMT
That's a great description. It sums up my first episode in a nutshell. i had an e-mail conversation with Maureen some years ago. She set up these 2 sites - www.jungcircle.com/www.psychiatrywithsoul.com/She charges a fortune for her services.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 10, 2018 9:12:15 GMT
I do think what is seen by family and doctors often doesn't reflect the internal scene for the psychosis sufferer at all, they think nothing is going on when someone is not responding but that could not be further from the truth.
It's more like being totally preoccupied than in a depressive stupor, which is why IMO different methods and techniques need to be developed to help communicate with and reassure the person who may be in total terror. The present way things are done just feeds into any paranoia.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 9:46:45 GMT
That's a great description. It sums up my first episode in a nutshell. i had an e-mail conversation with Maureen some years ago. She set up these 2 sites - www.jungcircle.com/www.psychiatrywithsoul.com/She charges a fortune for her services. Did you use her services? Was she any good?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 9:52:40 GMT
I do think what is seen by family and doctors often doesn't reflect the internal scene for the psychosis sufferer at all, they think nothing is going on when someone is not responding but that could not be further from the truth. It's more like being totally preoccupied than in a depressive stupor, which is why IMO different methods and techniques need to be developed to help communicate with and reassure the person who may be in total terror. The present way things are done just feeds into any paranoia. I certainly don't think I was depressed when I was psychotic, but had severe mood swings. When I got put on the antipsychotic I did get depressed. But I had been taken off the antidepressant. Can only speak from personal experience but I was very preoccupied and it would come across like a lack of empathy, although I had convinced myself I was responsible for the state of the world. Maybe there is more to that than psychiatry would have us believe, maybe it is part of our life purpose to do so, or take part in doing so. The last thing we need is to be told it's madness to think that way and we need drugs to suppress that belief, if that is the case.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 10, 2018 10:15:00 GMT
I didn't feel depressed in episodes either, that didn't stop the psych doc putting me on an antidepressant though, maybe because unresponsiveness looks like depression. In the end when I could communicate as usual I just said can you take me off this, I'm not depressed.
Just to add I did get post psychotic depression though, which was awful.
I was very, very aware of all the problems in the world but did not feel responsible for them, far from it. Do agree very much that there is a tie-up with life purpose, a very interesting area to explore.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2018 10:18:52 GMT
Did you use her services? Was she any good? She Wanted $300 Dollars every half hour or hour for a phone consultation or something ridiculous - so didn't bother.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 10, 2018 10:26:05 GMT
Did you use her services? Was she any good? She Wanted $300 Dollars every half hour or hour for a phone consultation or something ridiculous - so didn't bother. Well, there is valuing what you offer and dare I say it cashing in. The point being that vulnerable people could be tempted to pay almost any price for help.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2018 10:41:06 GMT
Well, there is valuing what you offer and dare I say it cashing in. The point being that vulnerable people could be tempted to pay almost any price for help. i think it's a massive problem now with people cashing in on all the new age / self help / Guru / alternative healing areas, especially concerning the vulnerable - it's an Industry that is worth Billions of Dollars Globally every year. i also think that there is a serious problem with all the anti / alternative psychiatry / medication areas, where really most people don't really have much of a clue what they are talking about or dealing with. Yes there are problems with the current mainstream pharma / biomedical Industry, but that doesn't make all the alternative areas right either. In ways it does all seem like a very complicated mess. i'm stepping back again from all the alternative areas in relation to working with alternative healers / psychics / Guru's etc. i need to process & work through things in my own way. & i think that what is really needed is a collective transformation of the way people are cared for & treated, to far better social / systemic understandings & approaches to psychological / emotional / environmental health & well being. There needs to be proper funding & resources put into it all.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 10, 2018 10:56:04 GMT
Yeah, it is messy and lots of people on the bandwagon. Everything, even therapy seems to be yet another trial and error situation - will they be understanding, experienced enough to facilitate improvement, what to do about the financial costs?
Totally agree about funding, no positive spin can make a silk purse out of a sow's ear environment for people suffering either, new money is vital.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2018 18:27:31 GMT
I do think what is seen by family and doctors often doesn't reflect the internal scene for the psychosis sufferer at all, they think nothing is going on when someone is not responding but that could not be further from the truth. This is the whole central philosophical aspect of psychiatry / mental health; the whole phenomenological, ontological, & epistemological areas. Which brings us back to the fundamental questions about the nature of 'madness' & best understandings & approaches to it all. & we are back all the same circular ideological, polemical, psychological, sociological, scientific, medical & other arguments & debate, that no one seems able to agree on.
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2018 18:29:22 GMT
Yeah, it is messy and lots of people on the bandwagon. Everything, even therapy seems to be yet another trial and error situation - will they be understanding, experienced enough to facilitate improvement, what to do about the financial costs? Yes it's a mine field. This is a major aspect of it all, & it's back with the same realities of this current society / system, & how to make 'normal' society see it all as a worthy area?
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 10, 2018 18:39:38 GMT
I do think what is seen by family and doctors often doesn't reflect the internal scene for the psychosis sufferer at all, they think nothing is going on when someone is not responding but that could not be further from the truth. This is the whole central philosophical aspect of psychiatry / mental health; the whole phenomenological, ontological, & epistemological areas. Which brings us back to the fundamental questions about the nature of 'madness' & best understandings & approaches to it all. & we are back all the same circular ideological, polemical, psychological, sociological, scientific, medical & other arguments & debate, that no one seems able to agree on. All of the above just makes me think how important full human rights are to patients - even if there were debates, even if their experiences were not understood, they would be protected in law. Why should anyone who has not been through non ordinary experiences themselves be allowed to say that calls for this legal equality go too far, like Simon Wessely has?
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Post by Admin on Dec 10, 2018 18:48:25 GMT
All of the above just makes me think how important full human rights are to patients - even if there were debates, even if their experiences were not understood, they would be protected in law. Why should anyone who has not been through non ordinary experiences themselves be allowed to say that calls for this legal equality go too far, like Simon Wessely has? i agree with you. i think it's because of the legal areas - the mental health system is covered in part by the criminal justice system. If people are deemed to be a danger to themselves / others, or have committed crimes whist unwell, & 'need' treatment, wilfully or against their will, then full human rights is going to create a serious issue with the existing legislation & treatment protocols / policies.
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