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Post by Admin on Dec 23, 2018 11:18:35 GMT
One of the first things that i posted on here - A - It doesn't exist - Thomas S. Szasz - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Mental_IllnessB - Existential Crisis - www.rethinkingmadness.com/#/the-book/4558919669C - Shamanic Initiation - www.shamanism-101.com/Shamanic_Initiations.htmlD - Spiritual Emergency - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiritual_crisisE - Vitamin Deficiency (Orthomolecular medicine) - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_medicineF - Double bind/Laing/upbringing/family dynamics - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_bindG - Double Trauma Mechanism - scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?q=Delayed+Posttraumatic+Stress+Disorders+from+Infancy:+The+Two+Trauma+Mechanism&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholartH - Brain Disease (many theories) - www.schizophrenia.com/disease.htmI - Symbolic & meaningful transformative experience - www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00332929708403310 www.tygersofwrath.com/psychosis.htmJ - Transgenerational trauma - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenerational_traumaWikipedia Entry - Schizophrenia - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia - Psychosis - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PsychosisIs it lots of different things labelled as the same thing? Is it aspects of many different things? Is it primarily physiological/biologic, or part biologic, psychological & social? Is it wholly or in part spiritual? Is full recovery & healing possible? or is it incurable? Are the people that recover dealing with different conditions to those who don't? Is prognosis dependant on how it's treated, or doesn't that matter? Is what is happening in each case of what gets labelled as 'schizophrenia/psychosis' as individual as the people that experience it? Schizophrenia: A Pathogenetic Autoimmune Disease Caused by Viruses and Pathogens and Dependent on Genes? www.hindawi.com/journals/jpath/2011/128318/AbstractMany genes have been implicated in schizophrenia as have viral prenatal or adult infections and toxoplasmosis or Lyme disease. Several autoantigens also target key pathology-related proteins. These factors are interrelated. Susceptibility genes encode for proteins homologous to those of the pathogens while the autoantigens are homologous to pathogens' proteins, suggesting that the risk-promoting effects of genes and risk factors are conditional upon each other, and dependent upon protein matching between pathogen and susceptibility gene products. Pathogens' proteins may act as dummy ligands, decoy receptors, or via interactome interference. Many such proteins are immunogenic suggesting that antibody mediated knockdown of multiple schizophrenia gene products could contribute to the disease, explaining the immune activation in the brain and lymphocytes in schizophrenia, and the preponderance of immune-related gene variants in the schizophrenia genome. Schizophrenia may thus be a “pathogenetic” autoimmune disorder, caused by pathogens, genes, and the immune system acting together, and perhaps preventable by pathogen elimination, or curable by the removal of culpable antibodies and antigens. Autoimmunity - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoimmunity
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Post by Admin on Dec 23, 2018 11:53:33 GMT
The working 'conclusion' that i have reached with it all is that what comes under schizophrenia is an individual, whole person, multi-factorial & differential condition, that 'needs' to be seen within an integral / holistic sense (involving mind, body, soul, spirit & environment).
What appears pivotal in it all is people getting proper, appropriate, kind & compassionate care, treatment, understanding, help & support.
In cases maybe it is primarily dealing with an incurable genetic / epigenetic brain disease / condition.
The aetiology (causes) & 'mechanisms' of what comes under the psychoses / schizophrenia is notoriously hard to pin down in any more definite sense.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 23, 2018 13:29:49 GMT
What appears pivotal in it all is people getting proper, appropriate, kind & compassionate care, treatment, understanding, help & support. Yes, in particular financial and PRACTICAL help. There should be initiatives like 'meals on wheels' for serious mental illness sufferers, would make such a lot of difference to lives/nutrition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2018 14:21:26 GMT
Schizophrenia: A Pathogenetic Autoimmune Disease Caused by Viruses and Pathogens and Dependent on Genes? www.hindawi.com/journals/jpath/2011/128318/AbstractMany genes have been implicated in schizophrenia as have viral prenatal or adult infections and toxoplasmosis or Lyme disease. Several autoantigens also target key pathology-related proteins. These factors are interrelated. Susceptibility genes encode for proteins homologous to those of the pathogens while the autoantigens are homologous to pathogens' proteins, suggesting that the risk-promoting effects of genes and risk factors are conditional upon each other, and dependent upon protein matching between pathogen and susceptibility gene products. Pathogens' proteins may act as dummy ligands, decoy receptors, or via interactome interference. Many such proteins are immunogenic suggesting that antibody mediated knockdown of multiple schizophrenia gene products could contribute to the disease, explaining the immune activation in the brain and lymphocytes in schizophrenia, and the preponderance of immune-related gene variants in the schizophrenia genome. Schizophrenia may thus be a “pathogenetic” autoimmune disorder, caused by pathogens, genes, and the immune system acting together, and perhaps preventable by pathogen elimination, or curable by the removal of culpable antibodies and antigens. Autoimmunity - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoimmunity I noticed that symptoms of the psychosis made a slight return last week when I had a viral infection. Poorer physical health is bound to impact you negatively otherwise.
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Post by Admin on Aug 23, 2019 10:40:32 GMT
How can schizophrenia both exist & not exist? Be both a brain disease & not a brain disease? Be a genetic / brain condition / severe illness & a psychological / spiritual / shamanic crisis? Can only be treated with psychiatric medication & is incurable & can be cured with psychosocial & psychospiritual approaches & Orthomolecular medicine? Caused entirely by stress, abuse & trauma, & Not caused by any of that? None of it makes any sense.
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Post by snowstorm on Aug 23, 2019 13:15:21 GMT
You cannot measure/scan for sz in the same way as physical illness - only listen to/see reported symptoms/effects. In the gap all the theories pop up.
I think a lot of individual answers could be found by listening to the personal thoughts and experiences of each patient and providing really practical help if they need it.
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Post by snowstorm on Aug 23, 2019 13:49:01 GMT
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Post by Admin on Aug 23, 2019 14:04:52 GMT
You cannot measure/scan for sz in the same way as physical illness - only listen to/see reported symptoms/effects. In the gap all the theories pop up. I think a lot of individual answers could be found by listening to the personal thoughts and experiences of each patient and providing really practical help if they need it. i'm not sure what it all is? & i don't think that anyone categorically knows?
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Post by Admin on Aug 23, 2019 14:32:18 GMT
i'm Not sure - i think it's a highly individual, in depth & complex question concerning mental illness & behaviour, personal responsibility / accountability, mental health / criminal justice & human rights laws. i still have a lot of guilt & shame around some of my behaviour when in severe psychosis & drink & drugged states, as well as still some anger & resentment with family & the wider society / system in all their reactions to it all. i do think it's a highly complex picture in relation to all these areas. There is a also a lot of distinction between different people / experiences / situations & circumstances in relationship to blame / personal responsibility & victim / perpetrator, that involves many complex socioeconomic, legal, political, medical, moral & ethical areas / issues. With the last 3 very major episodes of severe psychosis 18 to 14 years ago i didn't 'act out', & had zero contact with mental health services. It still all caused a lot of worry & upset for people & family especially. Over the past 18 years of sobriety & past 14 years of maintaining a medication, & having a contemplative / spiritual practise - i have tried very hard to be equanimous, kind & peaceful within all circumstances - But i am human as well & have over reacted & with anger at certain times to certain situations. There are so many variables involved with human relationships / interactions, functioning, behaviour & emotions.
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Post by snowstorm on Aug 23, 2019 17:11:15 GMT
Admin, you are writing there about behaviour while in multiple episodes, terrifying ones. The blog writer is 6 years 'beyond meds' and the examples she gives are quite different, I think there is a distinction there.
No one can claim to be saint, it's not about swallowing up feelings that are valid. I'm talking about knowingly behaving badly and using it as an excuse.
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Post by Admin on Aug 24, 2019 10:40:02 GMT
Admin, you are writing there about behaviour while in multiple episodes, terrifying ones. The blog writer is 6 years 'beyond meds' and the examples she gives are quite different, I think there is a distinction there. No one can claim to be saint, it's not about swallowing up feelings that are valid. I'm talking about knowingly behaving badly and using it as an excuse. i used to read & copy / post links from Monica Cassani's Blog a lot. i have had a chat with her. i just struggle a lot more now between the whole anti / pro psychiatry / medication argument. But yes you are right - i don't think that there is any excuse to be unkind & nasty to people. Life is tough for everyone in ways. We all have our cross to bear.
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Post by snowstorm on Aug 24, 2019 20:16:20 GMT
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Post by Admin on Aug 28, 2019 14:53:12 GMT
What I would say is that the psychics don't report perception oddities, they feel ok, they 'just' hear voices. Rather different from terror experiences and 'voices'too. This is it - they are totally different experiences. i have had this from some healers / psychics - that they have experienced it all as well, & they would be diagnosed with schizophrenia by a psychiatrist - But they haven't been & they wouldn't. They do Not understand what it is like to be within a totally very extreme / severe state of non ordinary reality / Being / psychosis - in fact i don't think that many people really understand it all, especially at the more severe end of it all. Hearing some benevolent voices & / or some Entheogen / psychedelic drug use is just not the same as what comes under severe schizophrenia / a severe psychotic break, nor is Shamanic / mystical experience quite the same. There are categorical differences within all these areas, despite some aspects of overlap.
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Post by Admin on Jan 28, 2020 19:27:28 GMT
WHY DO SUFFERERS OF SCHIZOPHRENIA REFUSE MEDICATION?
To start with, many diagnosed schizophrenia sufferers deny that their condition is primarily an illness. They are usually shrewd, creative, sometimes brilliant and sensitive folk, as are many artists, mystics and visionaries. From their angle, the sterile, unimaginative mentality of drug-based biopsychiatry is soulless, deluded, meaningless and patronizing. In some cultures (as JC notes), sufferers of schizophrenia are highly regarded, even revered as potential shamans, healers, poets and prophets.
Sample testimony [by Chris]: "It certainly feels more like an initiation of some kind. For all the pain it has brought me, I wouldn't be without it, as it has made me so much more aware of a lot of things.""To be honest, I don't think your average psychiatrist really has a clue. My psychiatrist has never even read any Jung. It's impossible for me to respect that, and dangerous for me to allow him to administer drugs that affect my mind. It is, after all, my mind. My medication makes me very lethargic, but I'm bullied into taking it, and my appeals to reduce it, gradually, aren't considered. People are horrified at the thought of Medieval tooth-pullers, and I think as we learn more about the mind, in years to come people will feel much the same way about our psychiatrists. My doctor kept trying to make me believe that the things I was seeing and hearing and feeling were delusions. But what I was experiencing was real, in the truest sense of the word."
Maureen B Roberts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 15:48:52 GMT
Everything has meaning. Everything is symbolic.
That is psychosis.
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