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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 11:19:08 GMT
UN CRDP Online Capacity-building and Consultation Event, 13 November 2 – 4pm, BSL and speech to text provided Date: 13 November 2021 Time: 2 – 4pm Location: via zoom – see below for registration details Since its adoption by the UN General Assembly on 13 December 2006, the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Disabled People (CRDP) has been a major global catalyst for the progression of disabled people’s rights. The CRDP became one of the most quickly supported international human rights treaties in history and it now has 163 signatories. Governments who ratify the CRDP agree to be examined every few years to check how far the rights of Deaf and Disabled people set out in the treaty are being fulfilled. Deaf and Disabled People’s Organisations (DPPOs) play a key role in the examination process, submitting “shadow” reports to the UN Committee responsible for the CRPD. This event will give an over-view of the CRDP and the shadow reporting process. Participants will also help shape the next shadow report as DDPOs prepare for the next examination of the UK under the CRDP. There will be workshops on the social security system, independent living and social care, housing, participation in politics and public life, accessible information and communication support, accessible transport, disabled people’s right to life and good health, the right to good work, mental health services, and disability hate crime. Registration details: www.eventbrite.com/e/rescheduled-un-crdp-online-capacity-building-and-consultation-event-tickets-202450102707
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 12:45:17 GMT
The two main mental health organisations involved in the neogiations beh8nd the UNCRPD were WNUSP World Networks of Users/Survivors of Psychiatry. (Tina Minkowitz played a central part in the negotiations) MindFreedom. (Archive collection.AE Plumb. Ear to the ground. Work in progress.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 14:30:08 GMT
According to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights 1948, humans have rights and LEGAL STATUS , because we are endowed with 'reason' and 'conscience' (United Nations 1948. Article 1). Given the stereotypes around mental illness and madness, this wording perhaps explains why we (service users and survivors) have been treated as lesser humans? ... the WNUSP are celebrating attaining legal status for us , as 'persons with disabilities'. That is a right to autonomy and liberty except when we contravene the law. WNUSP 2008 implementation manual CRPD. www.wnusp.net/documents/WNUSP_CRPD_Manual.pdfWNUSP 2011.Position Paper on the implications ofthe CRPD. www.wnusp.net/index.php/newsletters/Anne Plumb 2015. The UNCRPD: out of the frying pan into the fire? Mental health service users ans suvivors aligning with the disability movement. In Helen Spandler, Jill Anderson,Bob Sapey 2011 Madness, Distress and the Politics of Disablement. Policy Press.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 14:51:49 GMT
Plumb , defining herself as a mental health system survivor and ally of the disabled people's movement argues that there are areas where people mh service users differ from people with physical disabilities and are not properly represented in the CRPD. She comments on i self determination ii intervention, risk and safet iii responsibility and criminality iv expressed wishes and consen v alternate and replacement support.
These are not discussed in terms of the usual professional/legal terms but from the perspective of someone hospitalised on her first 'break' in a catatonic state. But rather in connection with internal disagreements among mental health service users/survivor activists.
More details on the demands within the UN CRPD , which Plumb contests, are given in an interview with Tina Minkowitz. 2015, Advancing the rights of users and survivors of psychiatry using the CRPD . In Helen Spandler, Jill Anderson, Bob Sabey 2015.Madness, Distress and the Politics of Disability .Policy Press.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 15:15:19 GMT
See also an affadavit of Tina Minkowitz (2013) which clearly defines her position with regards the interpretation of UN CRPD. · dk-media.s3.amazonaws.com/AA/AG/chrusp-biz/downloads/293220/MinkowitzAffidavit.pdfTina is profiled as serving on the steering committee of the International Disability Caucus and as a member of the 40 person drafting group that created the official text of the treaty for negotiation and is credited with much of the 'paradigm-shifting character of the CRPD in the areas of LEGAL CAPACITY, LIBERTY and RESPECT FOR INTEGRITY OF PERSON (my emphasis). Ms Minkowitz is an attorny admitted in the state of New York. She is a survivor of psychiayry and believes in the development of authentic user/survivor perspectives in human rights .(Helen Spandler, Jill Anderson, and Bob Sapey 2015 Madness, Distress and the Politics of Disability. Policy Press)
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 17:02:54 GMT
i can't see the issue with the application of Universal Human Rights for all people?
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 19:35:44 GMT
No problem with Universal Human Rights for all people.
But would you agree with the Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities which has 'consistently issued recommendations aimed at the practices of mental health detention and compulsory treatment and has referred to people with 'actual or perceived ' disabilities' in this context (Tina Minkowitz interview)without a clearer statement on how people may otherwise be supported on those occasions when they would otherwise be detained and treated without first giving consent?
Tina Minkowitz makes some good points in her interview re the CRPD but this convention is widely interpreted as removing/banning all mental health services including forenic (diminished responsibility) as discriminatory .
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 19:55:35 GMT
Complex. In wholeheartedly supporting the UN CRPD might people with mental health conditions find ourselves going out of the frying pan into the fire because we do not perceive the deeper implications and intentions of the Convention precisely because we agree that human rights should be universal ?
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 20:15:41 GMT
No problem with Universal Human Rights for all people. But would you agree with the Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities which has 'consistently issued recommendations aimed at the practices of mental health detention and compulsory treatment and has referred to people with 'actual or perceived ' disabilities' in this context (Tina Minkowitz interview)without a clearer statement on how people may otherwise be supported on those occasions when they would otherwise be detained and treated without first giving consent? Tina Minkowitz makes some good points in her interview re the CRPD but this convention is widely interpreted as removing/banning all mental health services including forenic (diminished responsibility) as discriminatory . Honestly - i think it is an impossibly difficult question to categorically answer. Each case is individual & i think the entire society / system needs to be transformed around all health & social issues. This Video Dispels Every "Nature VS Nurture" Myth You've Ever Heard. The Implications are Profound. www.filmsforaction.org/watch/this-video-dispels-every-nature-vs-nurture-myth-youve-ever-heard/It is always back to the same areas / issues / arguments about the causes / nature of all health & social issues & best ways of approaching it all. i would primarily address everything on a global environmental / systemic level with the aim of creating a genuinely civilized civilization for all people & then see where we're at with everything. This has partly been the whole point of this forum / project - Forum source documents healingsanctuary.proboards.com/thread/9984/forum-source-documentsi can understand to a point why anyone would be the way they are / think what they do / behave as they do etc, given all the variables involved. i can understand why people would hold all the myriad different perspectives / paradigms / opinions on mental health & all health & social issues. It seems logical & rational however to me that the whole of humanity living in more harmony with each other & all life would create a more balanced World - & that certain areas of focus i would think create a far healthier World for all nature & humans. At least why not try shifting the focus of civilization to a global regenerative / healing / life enhancing culture & focus? Mental & physical illness, criminality, poverty, inequality, dysfunctional familial & wider socioeconomic dysfunction, trauma & abuse, violence, addiction, homelessness etc is often all interrelated in various complex ways - why not compressively address all of it at a root level? Psychiatric hospitals & prisons are Not so different & are both part of the legal / social control system. i would look at a root & branch reform of the entire society / system in regards to everything - stop the same levels of divisions / categorizations - approach all health & social issues as what they are & provide comprehensive & humane treatment, help & support regardless of the individual / circumstances. A lot of the current human society / culture / system / civilization seems totally illogical. i don't agree with the critics of comprehensive integral / open dialogue / healing home / systemic alternatives to the current mental health system / treatment. i think it's part of what is needed. You can find 'equal' amounts of people agreeing / disagreeing with current front end mental health services / psychiatric treatment, for various complex reasons. Given the rising tide of all health & social issues, environmental & civilizational crisis, it is obvious what we have been / are generally doing about it all as a species isn't working very well. Why not just stop with everything that we are currently doing & genuinely transform it all?
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 20:19:24 GMT
Complex. In wholeheartedly supporting the UN CRPD might people with mental health conditions find ourselves going out of the frying pan into the fire because we do not perceive the deeper implications and intentions of the Convention precisely because we agree that human rights should be universal ? Can't really see how it's going to be any worse than the actual realities of all these areas in 2021?
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 20:25:59 GMT
I recall a 'left' activist , involved in a local Radical Press in the 1970s commenting that deep down he would prefer a benign dictatorship to democracy! .
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 20:31:47 GMT
I recall a 'left' activist , involved in a local Radical Press in the 1970s commenting that deep down he would prefer a benign dictatorship to democracy! . Yes - i think that a lot of people would. You can see the massive popularity of the Tories / Boris / Brexit over the past 11 years & 50 years of hard right neoliberal Capitalism - people love it all - like they loved Communist Russia & Hitler's Germany. You know my opinion on the 'masses'.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 20:48:48 GMT
This video dispels the nature-nuture myth.
I like/agree with this video.
(How do I 'box' a section I might take out of an earlier post when I want to comment on it?)
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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 20:56:58 GMT
This video dispels the nature-nuture myth. I like/agree with this video. (How do I 'box' a section I might take out of an earlier post when I want to comment on it?) Use the Quote Tags - ( = [ & ) = ] (quote)......text......(/quote)
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 21:52:16 GMT
[Why not just stop with everything that we are currently doing & genuinely transform it all?]
As ever , the problem is implementation. Our visions/analytical constructs give us direction but implementing these is a far from simple process in human societies. As humans logic alone isn't enough on its own to persuade most of us on the 'rightness' of a particular viewpoint.
A second consideration is just what is it that we are going to have transform. All the established structures and accompanying culture of a civilisation through which decisions regarding change take place ! In what ways can we achieve this. Reform? Revolution? Nibble at foundations?
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