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Post by Admin on Nov 6, 2021 22:34:58 GMT
[Why not just stop with everything that we are currently doing & genuinely transform it all?] As ever , the problem is implementation. Our visions/analytical constructs give us direction but implementing these is a far from simple process in human societies. As humans logic alone isn't enough on its own to persuade most of us on the 'rightness' of a particular viewpoint. A second consideration is just what is it that we are going to have transform. All the established structures and accompanying culture of a civilisation through which decisions regarding change take place ! In what ways can we achieve this. Reform? Revolution? Nibble at foundations? i think at this stage there is a 90% likelihood of full global ecological / civilizational collapse within 5 to 30 years, regardless of nearly everything humanity does, & possible human extinction. i don't think humanity, if it survives will do anything collectively serious to sort out all the World problems, for at least another 200 to 700 years time. It's very odd to watch after what happened over the past 500 odd years & especially with the realities of the 19th & 20th Century - you would think that humanity would learn, but it doesn't.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 22:40:06 GMT
Or spiritual practice/transmission. eg engaged buddhism and other practices aimed at transformation
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 6, 2021 23:18:06 GMT
I'm much more tentative about making predictions about the future.
I accept that there are events modelling can indicate but I also believe there in unknowns, the unexpected.
What I dont doubt is that change for the worse for many species including humans is/has been happening. And I dont believe technology will be our salvation without a change in attitude around consumption, in our inter relationship with the planet/cosmos and indeed among ourselves.
But I guess I'm watchful for hopeful developments rather than confirmation of my fears, though I note these too. More aware,too, of unpredicability amidst the certainities in our lives that human scientific endeavour has revealed. And conscious of a turbulent planet of which humans are just one of its life forms.
I seem to recall you saying our planet is insignificant. But then I read that its apparent rarity made it all the more 'wondrous'. I do see this planet/cosmos humans inhabit as amazing but not in a sentimental way. Hugely turbulent.
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2021 1:01:13 GMT
I seem to recall you saying our planet is insignificant. The World is trillions upon trillions of times smaller than a pin head in relation to the Cosmos / Universe - that may well be populated by Trillions of other planets inhabited with life. The Universe itself may be part of a multiverse. The multiverse may be part of a far larger reality, or within some infinite void. We simply don't know the answer to certain questions. i suppose it's a matter of perspective as to how significant this planet & human species is? It doesn't seem very wise or intelligent to bring our only home to the point of global catastrophic ecological collapse & possible extinction of our species. Bar the odd exception i don't really see what is exceptional about our species? Maybe there is some profound significance to this planet & our species & maybe there isn't?
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2021 1:04:03 GMT
Or spiritual practice/transmission. eg engaged buddhism and other practices aimed at transformation Can't see what any of the World religions have done to transform the planet / civilization? If anything they are part of the problem, along with money & politics - all made up rubbish (imo).
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 7, 2021 10:51:48 GMT
I agree. It doesnt make sense that this is the only home to life forms like ours.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 7, 2021 10:56:55 GMT
Or rather, I agree it really doesnt make sense to bring our home to the point of ecological collapse.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 7, 2021 11:52:10 GMT
We're straying a bit from the UN CRPD!
My last word is that I think the Convention can be exploited for those universal rights which are not controversial in any way for people with mental health conditions/disabilities.
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2021 12:09:21 GMT
We're straying a bit from the UN CRPD! My last word is that I think the Convention can be exploited for those universal rights which are not controversial in any way for people with mental health conditions/disabilities. What's the answer? Politically i'm center left / social democratic - i want comprehensive health / welfare / social care systems, i want an end to war / ecocide & for all the poor, sick, disabled, mentally ill, addicts, homeless, vulnerable etc to get proper & appropriate treatment, help, care & support. i don't want to live in the current realities of this shitty society / system / civilization. i wanted / want access to open dialogue / family therapy / Jungian, Depth, Transpersonal Psychology, Soteria / Diabasis type healing homes, comprehensive healing approaches to my condition & in the past wish i'd been given more opportunity to heal & recover medication free; instead of 4 forced sections & then being abandoned by mental health services in the community. But that's me - other people disagree with all that. So where is the compromise / solution to what everybody wants? i think that humanity will simply carry on destroying the planet & treating nature / animals & each other generally like shit & until the entire shit house Collapses, & it's probably good riddance to a human species that is generally disgusting.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 7, 2021 18:46:09 GMT
Forum source documents.
There's a challenge - what might you have left out !
As ever, I see the major problem as lying in implementation. The analysis may not be complex but I certainly see implementation as such - and not a simple issue of individual free will, action and choice.
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Post by Admin on Nov 7, 2021 19:23:20 GMT
Forum source documents. There's a challenge - what might you have left out ! As ever, I see the major problem as lying in implementation. The analysis may not be complex but I certainly see implementation as such - and not a simple issue of individual free will, action and choice. i expect that tons of stuff is left out - But have tried to create as extensive as possible a mental health Wiki / Database & comprehensive proposals. Have you properly studied all the areas cited in the source documents? It's the personal project / 2 pence worth of one person with long term serious mental health difficulties, suffering schizophrenia - what do you expect? Nope - there is absolutely Nothing that i can do about other people - the World / society / system / civilization / psychiatry / mental health system & treatment. Has simply been a personal project to fill some of the time & have a focus & to campaign for what i see as a better society / system & mental health treatment - i know that other people will Not agree with it all. Interesting the global institutions are taking on board in principle integrated / integral health & social care services, of course how all that is implemented, & real World application is another story. i am starting to think that the UK mental health systems of the 1990's wasn't all that bad - they did have more of a system of treatment & care, compared to now.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 8, 2021 13:12:34 GMT
My comment on a challenge to find what might be left out. Did you spot the exclamation mark? My attempt to distinquish a comment as non belligerent. It's a major problem with internet posts which emojis try to address - how to pick up on the 'tone' of someone we've never met and talked to face to face.
Sorry if I seemed to be attacking you. Your forum is prolific, the outcome of many hours of work few of us are able/would wish to do. I am finding many interesting posts - arousing my interest but ones in which I do not have the knowledge to converse on.
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2021 13:20:19 GMT
My comment on a challenge to find what might be left out. Did you spot the exclamation mark? My attempt to distinquish a comment as non belligerent. It's a major problem with internet posts which emojis try to address - how to pick up on the 'tone' of someone we've never met and talked to face to face. Sorry if I seemed to be attacking you. Your forum is prolific, the outcome of many hours of work few of us are able/would wish to do. I am finding many interesting posts - arousing my interest but ones in which I do not have the knowledge to converse on. i just get very frustrated at the state of the UK / World & state of the NHS mental health system / treatment, & with certain realities of my own life & circumstances. A lot of be very grateful for as well. i have tried to do what i can & what i feel is right in creating this forum / database & in trying to campaign for better mental health treatment & better health services. i think that the internet started out well but has descended into a lot of arguments & negativity.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 8, 2021 13:21:50 GMT
Sort of 'northern' sense of humour.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Nov 8, 2021 13:35:29 GMT
Me too through my activism. It's not so much frustration that I have felt over the years but hurt, anger and despair. Activism has given me focus and direction. My mental health conditions leave me with little energy and other issues I have to confront almost daily so nibbling at foundations collectively has been my way.
Of course those areas I have chosen to be active in and my motivations will not be acceptable to everyone. I guess I could even say I have always been in a minority - in my community, disability, mental health activism and politics. But I have not been alone.
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