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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 14:12:20 GMT
Admin link on the biopsychosocialspiritual model.
This is an example of the administrative model Finkelstein is talking about.
In F's dicussion the people investigating and making the decisions re didabled people are PWAs (People with Abilities). So it is with the BPSSModel and the Poer Treat Meaning Framework.It has been strogly criticised because mental health workers draw up the Formulations without the service user present. And the methods of 8nquiry are experienced by some as v intrusive.
I went to the launch of the Framework presented by Lucy Johnstone. Those of us attending were invited to pair up and ask each other a set of questions related to the model and framework. There is a lot I do not freely reveal about myself and my experiences. I went in search of a coffee.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 14:28:27 GMT
I appreciate the links you have placed on your forum coversing the diverse topics of mental health but I feel those of us interested in these areas are, today, like children faced with a stack of different sweets at a Pick and Mix. Do we have favorite? Do we want to sample one of each? Do we find it impossible to just make a selection (freeze)? I need to be guided by a limited number of principles .Too much detail and my mind malfunctions (ie I cant 'think straight' .
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2021 14:46:04 GMT
Admin link on the biopsychosocialspiritual model. This is an example of the administrative model Finkelstein is talking about. In F's dicussion the people investigating and making the decisions re didabled people are PWAs (People with Abilities). So it is with the BPSSModel and the Poer Treat Meaning Framework.It has been strogly criticised because mental health workers draw up the Formulations without the service user present. And the methods of 8nquiry are experienced by some as v intrusive. I went to the launch of the Framework presented by Lucy Johnstone. Those of us attending were invited to pair up and ask each other a set of questions related to the model and framework. There is a lot I do not freely reveal about myself and my experiences. I went in search of a coffee. I appreciate the links you have placed on your forum coversing the diverse topics of mental health but I feel those of us interested in these areas are, today, like children faced with a stack of different sweets at a Pick and Mix. Do we have favorite? Do we want to sample one of each? Do we find it impossible to just make a selection (freeze)? I need to be guided by a limited number of principles .Too much detail and my mind malfunctions (ie I cant 'think straight' 20 years ago just before i started posting on-line, i really expected & assumed that the vast majority of people would agree with each other, that the society / system / culture / mental health system wasn't very good & that there were far better ways that people could be treated, helped & supported & far better ways that we could create society / the system for the overall benefit of all people. How very wrong & mistaken i was with it all.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 17:07:50 GMT
Same here and with disability politics. But i was involved with other people in groups. It soon became clear that we werent 'speaking for everyone else'.So we hoped that by showing how things could be done differently and be better more people would see things as we did. A long haul.
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2021 19:39:10 GMT
Same here and with disability politics. But i was involved with other people in groups. It soon became clear that we werent 'speaking for everyone else'.So we hoped that by showing how things could be done differently and be better more people would see things as we did. A long haul. Some 70 years of anti / critical / alternative psychiatry - grass roots activism - & what really has been achieved?
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 22:28:07 GMT
We are not in the same situation as 50 years ago .
The evidence for this is in the 2 archive collections I hold - Ken Lumb. Archive of a disabled grassroots activist Anne Plumb Ear to the ground SSUMI (Survivor, Service User, Mad Identified) and ally voices, organisation and action...
There have been significant achievements by disability, mental health and other activists over the last 50 years but the last 15-20 years has seen much of these unravel /be appropriated by authorities eg regarding work and recovery. So hard to build, so easy to destroy.
Very disheartening. Not easy to pick up the pieces and try again under the changed circumstances we face. And the obstacles we face are massive - in the uk persistent cutting of funds for social provision and increasing authoritarianism and emerging fascism.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 22:29:48 GMT
Or rather not so much start again but defend what was achieved.
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Post by flyingcarpet46 on Dec 24, 2021 22:34:52 GMT
Why disparage the activism , Admin, rather than highlight the obstactles ?
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Post by Admin on Dec 25, 2021 23:18:56 GMT
Why disparage the activism , Admin, rather than highlight the obstactles ? Because i don't see what all the ideological / different camps - conflicts, debate & argument is really achieving in creating genuinely healing & comprehensive approaches to all health & social issues? & intrinsically on a broader level i don't think there are necessarily that fundamentally different opinions & perspectives involved within all these areas. There is far more commonality of agreement within everything if people really look at the similarities than there is difference. Everyone wants what they see as appropriate understanding, help & support / treatment. People can if it is explained comprehensively agree on a comprehensive individualized integral model & approach. & as with a lot of things in this society it's simply illogical & irrational to maintain certain divisions & conflicts.
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