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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:17:09 GMT
Just because someone thinks differently from you, or believes something else, does not justify abuse towards them, again from any stance. Really? What about if they're fascist? & are calling for the murder of all Jews / Disabled? Etc. Fair enough. Most of the abuse I have seen towards Christians (going back to subject of thread) isn't because they have said that. They have just said they are a Christian, and nothing more. Am not saying that none of them think it, but it's not what they are taught. If someone is abusive and starts saying that, is best to report them and avoid abusing them anyway. They will use it against you if you retaliate, you can guarantee that.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 11:28:11 GMT
Wars are the ultimate consequence of lack of tolerance in the world. Again, all sides justify them. It goes against religious and spiritual teachings in the main though. Yes God will be horrified at it all. I don't believe any of it is down to 'Him'/'It' though, we have free will. A lot of people blame God for them, but is humans that are the problem. Lets take an ideal - a perfect human Being - fully Self / God realized as 'Atman / Brahman' - in full alignment with the will of the infinite love & wisdom of Great Spirit - adhering to the highest spiritual principles & full awareness of the higher spiritual realms & realities. Maybe Christ / Buddha / Krishna & others embodied such to a high degree as Avatars / infinite Souls / Mahatmas? & there are some who appear to be more in alignment with such a state of Being / actions / ideals / principles than others. But on the whole who & what is? In a very broad sense i don't doubt the highest religious / spiritual teachings / figures, from all cultures / traditions, the problem i have is with everything else connected to it all - all the horrors that have been / are done in the name of religions. There is this great miss match with a lot of people as to what they claim to adhere to & who they claim to be, with who they actually are & what they actually think & do, it's often very bad this miss match with organised religions. & i do take issue with it all.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 11:36:49 GMT
Really? What about if they're fascist? & are calling for the murder of all Jews / Disabled? Etc. Fair enough. Most of the abuse I have seen towards Christians (going back to subject of thread) isn't because they have said that. They have just said they are a Christian, and nothing more. Am not saying that none of them think it, but it's not what they are taught. If someone is abusive and starts saying that, is best to report them and avoid abusing them anyway. They will use it against you if you retaliate, you can guarantee that. See my point above. i wouldn't take the same issue with it all if Christians were 'Christ like' - the fact is they're not in the vast majority of cases. "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians -- you are not like him." which is said to be found in the book The Christ of the Indian Road by E. Stanley Jones whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/03/08/your-christians-are-so-unlike-your-christ/Every time Christianity as an organised religion commits horrors, & it doesn't change & it doesn't learn. There are enough of them all locally - right wing / far right Tory 'Christians' - i utterly despise them all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:39:52 GMT
Wars are the ultimate consequence of lack of tolerance in the world. Again, all sides justify them. It goes against religious and spiritual teachings in the main though. Yes God will be horrified at it all. I don't believe any of it is down to 'Him'/'It' though, we have free will. A lot of people blame God for them, but is humans that are the problem. There is this great miss match with a lot of people as to what they claim to adhere to & who they claim to be, with who they actually are & what they actually think & do, it's often very bad this miss match with organised religions. & i do take issue with it all. Yes, everyone is a hypocrite, to varying degrees. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else just because they follow a certain religion, I would definitely take issue with. Again humility is a big thing, and is within religions as well. Have been told that being a Christian itself makes you a 'better' person, but if you don't follow the teachings or treat others respectfully, I don't understand their way of thinking. Following a religion doesn't give you a free pass to treat people badly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 11:45:50 GMT
Fair enough. Most of the abuse I have seen towards Christians (going back to subject of thread) isn't because they have said that. They have just said they are a Christian, and nothing more. Am not saying that none of them think it, but it's not what they are taught. If someone is abusive and starts saying that, is best to report them and avoid abusing them anyway. They will use it against you if you retaliate, you can guarantee that. See my point above. i wouldn't take the same issue with it all if Christians were 'Christ like' - the fact is they're not in the vast majority of cases. "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." "Jesus is ideal and wonderful, but you Christians -- you are not like him." which is said to be found in the book The Christ of the Indian Road by E. Stanley Jones whatwouldjackdo.org/2019/03/08/your-christians-are-so-unlike-your-christ/Every time Christianity as an organised religion commits horrors, & it doesn't change & it doesn't learn. There are enough of them all locally - right wing / far right Tory 'Christians' - i utterly despise them all. I don't like anyone who espouses far right 'values' either. Whether they are Christians or not is not really the point. Saying they are hypocrites is all very well but we all are, so I can't judge on that front. Far right ideology is vile and inhumane, and yes as far from what Jesus would have taught as you can imagine, or any of the great religious/spiritual leaders. Hitler claimed he was a Christian I think, but he was a black magician from what I have heard. It's not what you say you are, it's what you do.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 11:47:13 GMT
Yes, everyone is a hypocrite, to varying degrees. Anyone who thinks they are better than anyone else just because they follow a certain religion, I would definitely take issue with. Again humility is a big thing, and is within religions as well. Have been told that being a Christian itself makes you a 'better' person, but if you don't follow the teachings or treat others respectfully, I don't understand their way of thinking. Following a religion doesn't give you a free pass to treat people badly. i don't agree with the Hell Fire / Eternal Damnation as i think that all Souls eventually return to Source / the higher spiritual realms & Great Spirit - i do however think that there are earth bound, grey / transitional areas, lower realms / lower astral realms & probably the deepest Hell's - again not a permanent state for any Soul, but may last eons in some cases. i don't think that anyone escapes who they are & what they have done - regardless of their belief system. As a parable i fully agree with it & the sentiment - it says it all - The Sheep and the Goats en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sheep_and_the_Goats"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’ “Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’ “The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’ “Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’ “Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you didn’t do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 11:55:32 GMT
It's not what you say you are, it's what you do. Then what does religion really matter? A staunch Atheist who has spent a lifetime in humanist kindness, peace & service to humanity is going to do far better on the other side than most Christians.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 14:00:47 GMT
At the time, Christianity was highly persecuted. They felt the need to stick together. Early Christian history is highly debated - have you studied it all? Proba
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 14:00:59 GMT
This Is Not the Apocalypse You Were Looking For Pop culture has been inundated with catastrophe porn for decades. None of it has prepared us for our new reality."....Covid-19 changed everything. Suddenly, the immense and frightening upheaval, the cataclysm that means nothing can go back to normal, is here, and it’s so different from what we imagined.... I was not expecting to be facing this sort of thing in snuggly socks and a dressing gown.. "...When we talked about the end of every certainty, we were not expecting any revelation. We were not expecting it to be so silly, so sweet, and so sad... ...This is because late capitalism has always been a death cult. The tiny-minded incompetents in charge cannot handle a problem that can’t be fixed simply by sacrificing poor, vulnerable, and otherwise expendable individuals. Faced with a crisis they can’t solve with violence, they dithered and whined and wasted time that can and will be counted in corpses... For weeks, the speeches from podiums have suggested that a certain amount of brutal death is a reasonable price for other people to pay to protect the current financial system... "... To the rich and stupid, many of the economic measures necessary to stop this virus are so unthinkable that it would be preferable for millions to die... Social democracy is being reinstated in a hurry, because—to paraphrase Mrs. Thatcher—there really is no alternative. In the US, states are scrambling to support the 3.5 million workers who filed for unemployment in a single week. London’s homeless population, which had doubled in a decade, has been eradicated overnight. The National Health Service has run out of protective gear for doctors and nurses, and the British government has been too slow to restock—but a medical fetish porn site instantly donated its entire stock of scrubs and masks, because this is a big emergency, and we’re all doing what we can. Pop culture catastrophism didn’t prepare us for this. “Look, this isn’t a movie,” as one furious Italian mayor, broadcasting from his front room, put it last week. “You are not Will Smith in I Am Legend.” For one thing, it’s so relentlessly social.... the daydream is of finally shaking off the chains of civilization and becoming the valiant protector and/or tribal warrior they were made to be... Instead, the world feels larger, not smaller. Right now, with over a third of the world on some sort of lockdown...It seems more important to reconnect with friends. It seems more important than ever to be sweet and silly... Shit-hits-the-fan escapism—a big part of the alt-right imaginary—never predicted this. I have lurked in countless stagnant ideological internet back alleys where young men excitedly talk about the coming end of civilization, where men can be real men again, and women will need protectors... The end of the world has never been quite so simple a mythos for women, likely because most of us know that... people on the front line are not fighters. They are healers and carers... Nurses, doctors, cleaners, drivers. In the end, it will not be butchery. Instead it will be bakery, as everyone has apparently decided that the best thing to do when the world lurches sideways is learn to make bread...A friend and former roommate, who knows me well, called from Berlin to ask if I had “made the terrible, horrible biscuits yet.” My job will be the same as yours and everyone else’s: to be kind, to stay calm, and to take care of whoever happens to need taking care of in my immediate vicinity. We have been living for many, many years in what Gramsci called a time of monsters, where “the old is dying and the new cannot be born.” The new is now being induced in a hurry, because after this, nothing is going back to normal. It’s the end of the world as we know it, and everything does feel fine—not fine like chill, but fine like china, like glass, like thread. Everything feels so fine, and so fragile, and so shockingly worth saving." www.wired.com/story/coronavirus-apocalypse-myths/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 14:01:56 GMT
At the time, Christianity was highly persecuted. They felt the need to stick together. Early Christian history is highly debated - have you studied it all? Probably not. My textbooks in school were secular. The persecution of early church by the Romans and Jews seemed to be an accepted fact. I would probably enjoy learning more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 14:02:54 GMT
At the time, Christianity was highly persecuted. They felt the need to stick together. I was talking about modern churches that offer help to the poor but exclude groups, like the LGBT community. Is not what Jesus would have done. I agree that churches miss opportunities to demonstrate love to the LGBT community.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 17:53:04 GMT
It's not what you say you are, it's what you do. Then what does religion really matter? A staunch Atheist who has spent a lifetime in humanist kindness, peace & service to humanity is going to do far better on the other side than most Christians. Who knows? God probably reserves harsher judgement for those who know the teachings but don't apply them. That's if God judges us after death, you argued otherwise earlier on this thread or another.
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Post by Admin on Apr 5, 2020 18:07:12 GMT
Who knows? God probably reserves harsher judgement for those who know the teachings but don't apply them. That's if God judges us after death, you argued otherwise earlier on this thread or another. Yes - a Being / Great Spirit / Source of infinite love, wisdom & perfection does not judge in my view. The soul stands in judgement on itself & i think the soul gravitates upon death to the levels of it's own awareness & development. This book is great (taken with a large pinch of salt) - very well researched as to what may happen on the other side - ianlawton.com/alindex.html
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2020 19:15:50 GMT
Thursday, April 23, 2020 charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2020/04/heres-why-economy-wont-recover-and-no.htmlHere's Why the Economy Won't Recover--and No, It's Not Covid-19 or the Lockdown When reality and truth become the sworn enemies of society's political and economic elites, the society is well and truly doomed. The risks of Covid-19 and the lockdown have been explored across a wide spectrum of opinion. To hit just a few of too many to count: -- Permanent loss of civil liberties under the guise of "pandemic controls." -- Failure of control measures to limit the pandemic in any sort of economically manageable manner. -- Schemes for ID Cards identifying those with antibodies may fail as immunity might be fleeting, or low antibody counts may not confer immunity. These visible risks arise directly from the pandemic and efforts to control it, but the reasons why the economy won't recover were in force long before the pandemic: 1. Unsustainable dependence on expanding debt to fund consumption as earned income stagnated. 2. Unsustainably high costs imposed by cartels, monopolies, insider-skims/scams, institutionalized fraud, hyper-financialization, exploitation, etc. (Please see What's Collapsing Can't Be Saved: Our Fraudulent Economy) www.oftwominds.com/blogapr20/collapsing4-20.html3. The economy-wide creation of self-serving simulations of trust, credibility, transparency and accountability as substitutes for actual trust, credibility, transparency and accountability. This ceaseless spew of simulacra to cloak self-serving corruption is hidden from view lest the truth--that authentic trust, credibility, transparency and accountability have been dismantled because they inhibit the profiteering and exploitation of insiders and elites-- undermine the entire status quo. And so "success" (as in maximizing profits) in America is now a game of creating believable facsimiles of what was once authentic. Like all mammals, humans retain a sixth sense--commonly referred to as the "sniff test", i.e. something doesn't feel right--and so the simulacra are only partially successful in making us believe institutions are trustworthy, credible, transparently operated and governed in a way that enforces accountability. As a result, the more all our dominant institutions press their claims of legitimacy, the more they erode their legitimacy.
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Post by Admin on Apr 27, 2020 18:19:58 GMT
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