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Post by snowstorm on Dec 11, 2017 21:11:12 GMT
i don't think that he has much of a clue what he is on about. & i think it's a massive problem now across the whole board of what comes under mental health - 80% of everything around it all is basically nonsense. i keep removing myself from a lot of facebook mental health discussion groups, & don't go on mainstream mental health forums anymore. i get verbally attacked by people on all 'sides' of all this debate. I suppose that once someone has written a book they can get credence in certain quarters, even if they are peddling what can only be described as tripe that feeds in to the fear factor/prejudice associated with a diagnosis of schizophrenia. The Blackwell theory doesn't make sense in other ways either - why does being withdrawn and unable to communicate because of the intensity of an experience mean there isn't a spiritual aspect/some sort of 'awakening' going on? We can express our views about this, there are no doubt plenty of sz sufferers who are too ill to debate and have no idea such damaging silliness could ever be taken seriously.
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Post by Bodhitree on Dec 12, 2017 6:37:04 GMT
Sean Blackwell in the video claims there is a seamless match between levels of consciousness and the type of episode someone has - that sz on the spectrum is all about the fear, I almost laughed when he claimed it was due/related to a feudal/tribal consciousness level. Sz can be a very mixed experience, both positive and negative and imo can involve massive spiritual exposure, but being exposed to spiritual aspects or hellish sides and struggling with that is very different to being on a lower level of consciousness. It certainly is a bit of a stretch... it’d make a pretty research project to try and substantiate it. I’d be tempted to say that the roots of sz are deeper within the self, that the levels of consciousness have to do with more or less the surface orientation of the mind, and that sz is more a case of childhood trauma or drug abuse or extreme stress exposing the deeper nature of what we inherited from our pre-birth circumstances. As Eckhart Tolle puts it, it’s about the obstacles to awareness arising. Although it being 80% genetic is a bit of a spanner in the works
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2017 14:45:10 GMT
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2017 19:10:03 GMT
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2017 19:12:46 GMT
Although it being 80% genetic is a bit of a spanner in the works This is the thing isn't it - maybe with the 1% or so diagnosed with genuine / severe schizophrenia it is a predominantly biological condition.
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Post by Bodhitree on Dec 12, 2017 19:39:50 GMT
Although it being 80% genetic is a bit of a spanner in the works This is the thing isn't it - maybe with the 1% or so diagnosed with genuine / severe schizophrenia it is a predominantly biological condition. That is certainly the implication. If the carrier of the disease is genetic, it is extremely likely the causes are biological. But there seems to be a wide middle ground where factors can induce psychosis - drug use, stress - and perhaps cause a diagnosis of schizophrenia, even where there is no prior family history.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 12, 2017 20:06:38 GMT
I may be wrong, but looking at that study there is a 79% heritability risk of developing sz, not the same as saying that 79% of all sz is genetic.
Could there also be a situation where there is a spiritual sensitivity running in families, rather than a genetic sensitivity?
I think so much of this boils down to listening and choice - really trying to understand the background, circumstances and views of people who are suffering in this way, how they view it themselves and giving them a full range of options over their treatment as much as possible.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2017 20:59:59 GMT
I may be wrong, but looking at that study there is a 79% heritability risk of developing sz, not the same as saying that 79% of all sz is genetic. Could there also be a situation where there is a spiritual sensitivity running in families, rather than a genetic sensitivity? I think so much of this boils down to listening and choice - really trying to understand the background, circumstances and views of people who are suffering in this way, how they view it themselves and giving them a full range of options over their treatment as much as possible. There is serious mental illness in my mothers side of the family, & i don't know about my fathers side. It's likely to be multi-factorial & individual. There are all the areas of Ancestral traumas. The dominant biomedical / materialist position; pharmacological / biomedical psychiatric Industry is going to continue with the primary focus on the biomedical line, combined within the wider socioeconomic; neoliberal capitalist / Atheist scientific materialist / political / MSM system. Genuine listening & choice - genuinely comprehensive, humane, compassionate & appropriate psychological / emotional / social understanding, help & support is a pipe dream, especially for more severe cases. In the UK Soteria is dead in the water, Open Dialogue has about the best hope of being introduced, But how long it takes, & whether / when it becomes standard is anyone's guess, & what it may be like after assimilation within the mainstream system may be very different to what has been originally envisioned. Any mention of all these alternatives & it translates to in the minds of the vast majority of people is Money / More Tax on the 'honest hardworking taxpayers', regardless of whether longer term it would be far more cost effective, that's Not how most people think, & that's even if people can get past it's all biological & people need meds etc. Of course psyche-sensitivity is very likely, But that's Not going to be acknowledged by the mainstream / system in our lifetimes. & the same debates / arguments / polemics just go on & on.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 12, 2017 22:17:29 GMT
I share your disappointment, the only place I differ is in thinking that the reasonable majority could care if they were not bombarded with stereotypes and had a more balanced education about the whole subject at a much earlier age.
I can't help but think that mostly people want what works even above value for money. Trouble is they are reliant on researchers actually doing the wide variety of research on what works.
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Post by Admin on Dec 13, 2017 8:23:29 GMT
I share your disappointment, the only place I differ is in thinking that the reasonable majority could care if they were not bombarded with stereotypes and had a more balanced education about the whole subject at a much earlier age. I can't help but think that mostly people want what works even above value for money. Trouble is they are reliant on researchers actually doing the wide variety of research on what works. i find it very hard to see how everything within all this areas is suddenly going to all change - & i can't see it happening in our lifetimes - if at all, ever. i go back to my own healing & learning path, & leave the World / humanity to be as it is.
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