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Post by Admin on Apr 25, 2020 20:07:33 GMT
i know i need to be more accepting that everyone is different, has their own beliefs & is on their own path. i know my communication style is difficult at times, & it is hinderance to this forum / project. It's a learning curve. Give yourself a break. Sometimes there is every reason to fume and be fierce, sometimes not. Tbh whether it's me, or other factors, or a combination of both - i think this entire project is at an impasse, & it didn't get very far anyway. i don't see how certain areas / issues within this society / system / 'civilization', especially concerning money, politics & religions & the Global culture as a whole can be sorted out in relation to gaining far better & more appropriate understandings & approaches / treatment to mental health. i've put some stuff out there with this forum / project - people can take it or leave it - i'll see how things go with the associated wellness project, but other than that i'm pretty much done with it all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2020 4:16:54 GMT
Admin I don't think that you should give up now when you have come this far.
There's issues on all sides really. Your biggest problem is maybe that you're a bit like me in having a negative outlook on things. It does tend to be a self fulfilling prophecy in ways. I find that in my own life. And your curse is a gift in other ways, you're very intelligent and most people feel intimidated by it and are probably not confident that they can debate at your level. It may also be jealousy of your ability to think deeply and argue in an intelligent manner.
I blame myself for people not coming on here so I have not been on lately. If that's the case I would rather people said though. People need to be honest about why they lurk and don't post. Otherwise you can't establish what the problem is. You have a lot more guests than posters. I would imagine the above issues are a factor in some way. It isn't you that is the problem. Maybe find a web designer if you think the appearance of the forum could be better or something. It might be something mundane like that. I love your posts anyway.
Re religion/spirituality, none of us are perfect but for a person centred mh system to work you need to make sure that it's what is right for the person. Not everyone thinks the same or has the same needs or beliefs. That's how it is. But what is required is compassion for all and acceptance that not everyone thinks or feels the same. That isn't as easy as it sounds and we all have to work on it.
Remember this is about mh care and building a fairer system for all. One that does the best for everyone. A community that may not agree on everything but still cares for all regardless. You might not be able to make this happen in the whole world but in a mh community it should be achievable or a more realistic goal. Maybe try and think on a smaller scale. We all need to compromise a bit with everything and work with what we have.
I would love to see global capitalism end but until it does we just have to do the best we can in an imperfect system and make sure that those who are vulnerable are cared for in a way that is best for the individual concerned.
I certainly don't want to see you give up now. We all have to accept realities we don't like it agree with but that doesn't mean we can't work with what we have in that reality.
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2020 8:55:34 GMT
Admin I don't think that you should give up now when you have come this far. There's issues on all sides really. Your biggest problem is maybe that you're a bit like me in having a negative outlook on things. It does tend to be a self fulfilling prophecy in ways. I find that in my own life. And your curse is a gift in other ways, you're very intelligent and most people feel intimidated by it and are probably not confident that they can debate at your level. It may also be jealousy of your ability to think deeply and argue in an intelligent manner. I blame myself for people not coming on here so I have not been on lately. If that's the case I would rather people said though. People need to be honest about why they lurk and don't post. Otherwise you can't establish what the problem is. You have a lot more guests than posters. I would imagine the above issues are a factor in some way. It isn't you that is the problem. Maybe find a web designer if you think the appearance of the forum could be better or something. It might be something mundane like that. I love your posts anyway. Re religion/spirituality, none of us are perfect but for a person centred mh system to work you need to make sure that it's what is right for the person. Not everyone thinks the same or has the same needs or beliefs. That's how it is. But what is required is compassion for all and acceptance that not everyone thinks or feels the same. That isn't as easy as it sounds and we all have to work on it. Remember this is about mh care and building a fairer system for all. One that does the best for everyone. A community that may not agree on everything but still cares for all regardless. You might not be able to make this happen in the whole world but in a mh community it should be achievable or a more realistic goal. Maybe try and think on a smaller scale. We all need to compromise a bit with everything and work with what we have. I would love to see global capitalism end but until it does we just have to do the best we can in an imperfect system and make sure that those who are vulnerable are cared for in a way that is best for the individual concerned. I certainly don't want to see you give up now. We all have to accept realities we don't like it agree with but that doesn't mean we can't work with what we have in that reality. Thanks for the reply. i don't have it in me to have the same circular arguments / debates / dialectics the whole time, especially around religion / Christianity & economics / politics. The project vision i tried to have as open to all religions & none / Atheism - however it's not going to work, along with other divisions, as 'everyone' believes that they are right & everyone else is wrong. i have my own biases as well & i don't follow any specific religion / spiritual system. It seems impossible for most people share a secular / multi cultural / non partisan vision, & you see all that reflected in the wider society / World as well. i'll see if anything comes from the Wellness project group, however i think it is going to run into the same / more similar problems. & yes, it's not up to me to change the World / mental health system / treatment & i can't anyway. i think i'll just leave everything as it is - have this as a small free site / forum to post what i like & people can take it or leave it.
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Post by Admin on Apr 26, 2020 9:10:00 GMT
As a long term sufferer of severe mental illness / severe schizophrenia - a service user - none of this is my responsibility / up to me to change it all anyway. It's the mess of humanity as a whole. It's another problem / responsibility for 'sane & normal' society to sort out, they have created this society / system, they can deal with it all.
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