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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 14:02:47 GMT
Most countries aren't secular & the rate things are going as discussed the the other day the USA may end up as a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Theocracy, that is possible. It would shock this evangelical Here. Have a free fish taco with extra cheeeeeese
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 14:06:55 GMT
I don't want atheists or others to walk on eggshells around me either.
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 23, 2020 14:10:07 GMT
More & more - all the nuance & issues aside, in a general sense i tend to agree more & more with the biomedical / hard sciences, psychiatry / pharma in essence, & they are the people that say what goes on & who control the system. People are mentally ill in various ways & to various degrees - they do fit the main classifications of psychoses / neuroses / personality disorders, & a lot of people are helped with treatment & medication. So what am i trying to do here with this project / forum? What's the point of it all? My view's have changed in ways from 20 years ago & over the past 8 years since setting up the forum. Yes could all be different in some wonderful more ideal World with wonderful treatment of the mentally ill, & the poor, sick & vulnerable / disabled - But it's Unicorns / Bubbles - it's Fantasy - it's not the realities of this World. & Humanity & the World isn't going to change & i can't change it. There is nothing wrong with views changing over time, in fact, if no one ever did it would be ridiculous. Herein lies the difficulty for me, where's the balance with the views of 'survivors'- it all gets swept under some big carpet. Nothing stopping you from reconsidering your positions as you learn more. Though it does depend from whom and what the evidence is too.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 14:17:34 GMT
Herein lies the difficulty for me, where's the balance with the views of 'survivors'- it all gets swept under some big carpet. Nothing stopping you from reconsidering your positions as you learn more. Though it does depend from whom and what the evidence is too. i can't see that certain arguments / areas are going to be more fully resolved for hundreds more years. All it has been in my observation of 30 years caught up in all these areas in the same circular arguments. i looked back across the past 600 years of all this in the 'West' & whole history of medicine - & it's in essence exactly the same. i really do think it's a case of waiting another 200 to 500 years for humanity to genuinely evolve more in this & other areas, if humanity doesn't destroy the planet & itself in the meantime.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 14:35:05 GMT
Herein lies the difficulty for me, where's the balance with the views of 'survivors'- it all gets swept under some big carpet. How do 'we' change all that though? i don't think it's possible to without overturning & transforming the entire Global social / cultural structures & system. & how do 'we' reconcile all the argument all this goes into? All the different & opposing theories / beliefs, agendas, groups, camps?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 14:37:49 GMT
Herein lies the difficulty for me, where's the balance with the views of 'survivors'- it all gets swept under some big carpet. How do 'we' change all that though? i don't think it's possible to without overturning & transforming the entire Global social / cultural structures & system. & how do 'we' reconcile all the argument all this goes into? All the different & opposing theories / beliefs, agendas, groups, camps? Bingo
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 15:44:05 GMT
How do 'we' change all that though? i don't think it's possible to without overturning & transforming the entire Global social / cultural structures & system. & how do 'we' reconcile all the argument all this goes into? All the different & opposing theories / beliefs, agendas, groups, camps? Bingo & we can't - this god Awful society / system / 'civilisation' / machine / death cult / divisions & argument / conflict will simply grind on to whatever horrendous outcomes it is headed to. & i am back personally with genuine samadhi / Moksha. i want out............
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 15:49:17 GMT
& we can't - this god Awful society / system / 'civilisation' / machine / death cult / divisions & argument / conflict will simply grind on to whatever horrendous outcomes it is headed to. & i am back personally with genuine samadhi / Moksha. i want out............ We can't? Before you retreat into monkhood... Idk.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 15:49:42 GMT
& we can't - this god Awful society / system / 'civilisation' / machine / death cult / divisions & argument / conflict will simply grind on to whatever horrendous outcomes it is headed to. & i am back personally with genuine samadhi / Moksha. i want out............ We can't? Before you retreat into monkhood... Idk. Try to have fun
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 23, 2020 17:56:38 GMT
Herein lies the difficulty for me, where's the balance with the views of 'survivors'- it all gets swept under some big carpet. How do 'we' change all that though? i don't think it's possible to without overturning & transforming the entire Global social / cultural structures & system. & how do 'we' reconcile all the argument all this goes into? All the different & opposing theories / beliefs, agendas, groups, camps? The 'Mind' website has a page on legal news, why it fails to register some of its own legal news showing how it will fight with lawyers for all those recommendations in the MHA final report I do not know. Unless something goes on that is not on there.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 18:14:05 GMT
The 'Mind' website has a page on legal news, why it fails to register some of its own legal news showing how it will fight with lawyers for all those recommendations in the MHA final report I do not know. Unless something goes on that is not on there. It's acceptable to cut the lives short of 120 to 500 thousand of the most vulnerable UK citizens, or more through 10 years of Ideological Tory Austerity, & create a lot of abject poverty & suffering, & to deny it all / say it's necessary. None of it means anything that anyone says.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 18:57:20 GMT
The 'Mind' website has a page on legal news, why it fails to register some of its own legal news showing how it will fight with lawyers for all those recommendations in the MHA final report I do not know. Unless something goes on that is not on there. What did any of the mental health charities / medical system do to seriously speak out on all the cuts / welfare 'reforms' / Austerity after the 2008 crash & to fight for the most vulnerable? Pretty much Nothing as far as i saw. All we have now with Covid 19 is mainly a load more Tory / Establishment / Media Propaganda, Denial, Spin & Lies. The Tories are viciously ideologically opposed to the NHS / socialised health care & the welfare / social security system. But then imo every Tory is a compulsive pathological Liar & lower than vermin.
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2020 10:31:13 GMT
i know i need to be more accepting that everyone is different, has their own beliefs & is on their own path.
i know my communication style is difficult at times, & it is hinderance to this forum / project.
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 24, 2020 12:06:51 GMT
i know i need to be more accepting that everyone is different, has their own beliefs & is on their own path. i know my communication style is difficult at times, & it is hinderance to this forum / project. It's a learning curve. Give yourself a break. Sometimes there is every reason to fume and be fierce, sometimes not.
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2020 14:26:48 GMT
i know i need to be more accepting that everyone is different, has their own beliefs & is on their own path. i know my communication style is difficult at times, & it is hinderance to this forum / project. It's a learning curve. Give yourself a break. Sometimes there is every reason to fume and be fierce, sometimes not. i have no power over the World & Humanity - it's up to other people what they think & believe & how they behave. The religion / spirituality question / areas has been a real issue for me in my own life. i am coming to an understanding of what makes sense to me personally. Each to their own.
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