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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 12:07:46 GMT
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 12:50:49 GMT
The issue of economics & especially politics & religions is a real issue area with this project - that i do not how to resolve?
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 23, 2020 12:56:24 GMT
Could you elaborate a bit - do you mean the conflicting views?
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:06:43 GMT
Could you elaborate a bit - do you mean the conflicting views? Yes On a personal level especially with my personal thoughts & views about religions / spirituality, i get into a lot of arguments with a percentage of Christians especially. Politically i'm in line with center left democratic socialism / global systemic alternatives & to a point Anarchy, again, it causes arguments, conflicts & divisions. With the whole mental health areas / debate pragmatically i accept my diagnosis / medication & agree with psychiatry to some extent - this is also another flash point. i can't help who i am & what my personal views are. i get these waves of despondency at times with this whole forum / project. In the context of the wider World a lot of it is probably really quite pointless.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:21:26 GMT
Some time ago i was contacted by someone local who said that they had a lot of interest in the project.
They put me in contact with a mental health campaigner in the USA who was interested in promotion of this forum / project & working together to create a centralized hub. Both these people are Christian - the campaigner in the USA wanted me to write a selection of articles on psychosis from the perspective of the biomedical model / Jungian Psychology & Christian Mysticism.
After some more debate we fell out - i have also now fallen out with the local person who contacted me originally - both over religious argument.
i think that this project has to be genuinely secular & non partisan. How to apply that in practical terms is another question entirely.
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 23, 2020 13:25:20 GMT
It depends on a lot of factors and there may be also a tension between a 'campaigning' kind of project and a 'therapeutic' one.
It does reflect too how, as discussed the other day, mental health covers a myriad of issues which definitely have argument potential.
Maybe you have to rise majestically above - or park the arguments part in a corner of the project somewhere.
Are the people making these arguments back all the same person or small group? Just wondering.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:32:39 GMT
It depends on a lot of factors and there may be also a tension between a 'campaigning' kind of project and a 'therapeutic' one. It does reflect too how, as discussed the other day, mental health covers a myriad of issues which definitely have argument potential. Maybe you have to rise majestically above - or park the arguments part in a corner of the project somewhere. Are the people making these arguments back all the same person or small group? Just wondering. It tends to be a certain type of Christian - usually one who is mentally ill. & it does appear to be only a specific few people / instances. These arguments rage on on-line all the time. Obviously we have to allow for all religions / spirituality & none / Atheism. We have to allow for all political views / spectrum's. We have to allow for anti / pro psychiatry positions. As in the other thread, i just think that a lot of it is irreconcilable. You can't unify / resolve certain diametrically opposed beliefs / positions. One thing to do is to forget about trying to accommodate it all - people are either in line with the project plan / ethos & source documents - or they're not - like it or lump it.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:41:11 GMT
It depends on a lot of factors and there may be also a tension between a 'campaigning' kind of project and a 'therapeutic' one. It does reflect too how, as discussed the other day, mental health covers a myriad of issues which definitely have argument potential. Maybe you have to rise majestically above - or park the arguments part in a corner of the project somewhere. Are the people making these arguments back all the same person or small group? Just wondering. i follow a non religious spirituality, & totally support secularism. i can't help the issue that i have with organised religions & Christianity - imo the World would be a lot better off without religions. There was something odd about the 2 Christians who showed interest in the project. But there are loads of different groups / camps / agendas who are always going to want to hijack everything for their own ends - that's humans; this society / system.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 13:50:19 GMT
I believe in cooperation for the good of others.
2 Peter 2 talks about complying with all authorities. Of course there are exceptions but this is my framework.
Just because an authority is secular doesn't mean we Christians get a free pass to raise hell.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 13:51:19 GMT
The issue of economics & especially politics & religions is a real issue area with this project - that i do not how to resolve? I think you're doing well these days. I'm rather encouraged. Baby steps
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:53:34 GMT
More & more - all the nuance & issues aside, in a general sense i tend to agree more & more with the biomedical / hard sciences, psychiatry / pharma in essence, & they are the people that say what goes on & who control the system.
People are mentally ill in various ways & to various degrees - they do fit the main classifications of psychoses / neuroses / personality disorders, & a lot of people are helped with treatment & medication.
So what am i trying to do here with this project / forum? What's the point of it all?
My view's have changed in ways from 20 years ago & over the past 8 years since setting up the forum.
Yes could all be different in some wonderful more ideal World with wonderful treatment of the mentally ill, & the poor, sick & vulnerable / disabled - But it's Unicorns / Bubbles - it's Fantasy - it's not the realities of this World. & Humanity & the World isn't going to change & i can't change it.
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Post by snowstorm on Apr 23, 2020 13:59:19 GMT
Perhaps you just need a safety notice that flashes a few lines of the project ethos before it get too heated Or debate guidelines. It is difficult to discuss e.g. spiritual aspects of psychosis and stay secular, or not get into some sort of 'discussion' - but 'kindness' should be ahead of all of that rather than someone being like a 'dog with a bone' for whatever reason.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 13:59:20 GMT
Just because an authority is secular doesn't mean we Christians get a free pass to raise hell. Most countries aren't secular & the rate things are going as discussed the the other day the USA may end up as a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Theocracy, that is possible.
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2020 14:01:19 GMT
Perhaps you just need a safety notice that flashes a few lines of the project ethos before it get too heated Or debate guidelines. It is difficult to discuss e.g. spiritual aspects of psychosis and stay secular, or not get into some sort of 'discussion' - but 'kindness' should be ahead of all of that rather than someone being like a 'dog with a bone' for whatever reason. i suppose that i am as guilty of it as they are. i can't help it - i largely agree with Atheists about religions & have a non religious spirituality. That is how i am. Between religions & Atheism, i would far rather take the side of Atheism.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2020 14:01:46 GMT
Just because an authority is secular doesn't mean we Christians get a free pass to raise hell. Most countries aren't secular & the rate things are going as discussed the the other day the USA may end up as a Fundamentalist Evangelical Christian Theocracy, that is possible. It would shock this evangelical
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