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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 12:05:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 12:51:36 GMT
I can't read this because I have reached my limit of medium articles this month. But I wish people would stop calling being electrocuted therapy. Therapy should not cause you damage, and inducing an epileptic fit does just that.
Milgram didn't call it therapy in his experiments for a reason. He called it a punishment because that's what it is. They might give you an anaesthetic but it's still causing you harm, whether you are aware of it or not.
Also, the term 'treatment resistant' is problematic because there is no doubt that there are things out there that could help that are not available as 'treatment', but could be, and are not considered. It's a case of nothing else you have been offered and tried has worked.
ECT is more torture than treatment. It kills people, maybe not immediately, often years later, but it does in my opinion more harm than good. Most of the time anything that induces memory loss is seen as a negative. And if it does 'work', it's a short term effect.
What does it say about a country when ECT is revived? Torture and maltreatment is necessary for the mentally ill, in order to stop them being a burden or harming someone. Because they are certainly not seen as anything else other than a tiresome burden and less than human, which is proved by this vindication of electrocution.
Usually reserved for murderers, not that I agree with the death penalty, but it suggests we are violent criminals who are 'bad' and deserve it.
No excuse for this to still be happening in the 21st century, not that there ever was.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 12:56:52 GMT
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 12:59:38 GMT
No excuse for this to still be happening in the 21st century, not that there ever was. What do 'you / me / others' do to change it all? It is returning, Asylums are very likely to return as well, many people want electroshock treatment, many people say how much it helped them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2018 16:30:14 GMT
A lot of people have been brainwashed by the system, and because they were in such a dark place at the time and think there is nothing else that could have worked for them they do feel grateful towards mental health services for inducing epileptic fits in them. They are not presented with the full facts and are told they are abnormal/disordered and need fixing, and only a psychiatrist can do so. So being made to feel like a problem that needs to be solved, treated like a child and routinely patronised when at their most vulnerable to being reconditioned by the mh system, their self image and esteem at an all time low, and then pumped full of emotion numbing drugs which reduce dissent and resistance to authority/orders, it's much easier to indoctrinate them.
The fact remains that there is little evidence of long term benefits of 'ECT'. It's perhaps arguable that your life was saved by it, but only because proper humane and superior help was not available or considered as such by the so called 'experts'.
People don't generally get to the point where they 'need' electrocution to survive overnight, unless they are prone to multiple epileptic fits. Society has a large part to play in the development of mental illness, and it is not just down to the individual and their bad choices/faulty biology/genetics.
Some people certainly like asylums, and feel 'safe' in them, but that is because of the hostile environment they live in on the 'outside'. Whereas a lot of people who consider themselves 'normal' feel 'safer' when the mentally ill are locked in an asylum, because they have also swallowed the idea that it's the fault of the individual who is incarcerated, whether through bad choices or faulty biology/genetics, that they are 'dangerous lunatics', and psychiatry does little to dispel this belief, in fact openly encourages it.
Of course if we are all locked up in the same place it makes us much easier to do away with, and as 'dangerous lunatics' who deserve electrocution who would complain?
What can we do, when the odds are so loaded against us? Psychiatrists have all the power, to brainwash and control our and society's opinions of us. It's a cliché but with great power comes great responsibility, and it's their responsibility more than ours to change this situation, but they choose not to.
They are not fit to have so much power, but they do say all power corrupts, and many are corrupt.
It's not our fault that things are as they are, and we are not in a position to change it, they should start putting their patients first and do something humane and kind with all their influence instead of ordering electrocutions and calling it 'treatment', along with the other catalogue of barbarisms they condone and oversee.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 26, 2018 19:04:42 GMT
Yet another punishing treatment which should IMO never be forced on anyone.
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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2019 19:11:16 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jan 7, 2019 9:16:22 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jan 7, 2019 14:52:05 GMT
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Post by Admin on Jan 13, 2019 10:02:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 15:35:56 GMT
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Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2019 16:44:05 GMT
Yea - i am reminded of the book Deprived of Our Humanity: The Case Against Neuroleptic Drugs Lars Martensson, M.D. www.madmarket.org/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=101Nothing ever changes though - the same arguments go endlessly round & round, as they always have done. Extreme anti-psychiatry / anti medication camps are solving Nothing & won't do, & the same small minorities of people that want genuine socioeconomic / systemic & treatment alternatives are always in the small minority. The crisis of 'civilisation'; Trump, Brexit, the ending of some 70 years of the Western neoliberal order, & global rise of the far right i think is going to have profound implications as well. Basic Human nature, this society / system / 'civilisation' isn't going to suddenly transform overnight into something a lot better - probably the opposite. IF there was to be some genuine shift within all these areas, mental health & society as a whole - it will very likely gradually track over many hundreds / thousands of years.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:13:53 GMT
I agree. But is it 'human nature' or conditioning that makes people behave the way and believe the things they do?
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Post by Admin on Feb 3, 2019 17:18:02 GMT
I agree. But is it 'human nature' or conditioning that makes people behave the way and believe the things they do? Both probably. i really did think that 80% of everything was systemic / environmental, now i am Not so sure again, but people are different. What comes under general human nature does appear to be largely unchanged for millennia however, & if the main drivers are systemic / environmental, it is an endless double bind as it's collective human nature that creates & maintains the wider society / system / 'civilisation' / environment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2019 17:23:08 GMT
Well we do seem to keep repeating the same mistakes, so maybe you are right.
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