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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2018 12:28:32 GMT
Is the Manchester survey not a different one? Yes - i meant the first one. i can't be bothered filling in the other one.
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Post by Bodhitree on Dec 22, 2018 12:34:43 GMT
I agree with you, there definitely is a place for the acute cases being cared for in a long term setting. Here in Holland there is still quite a lot of supported accommodation, places where people with mental health or certain other issues can be looked after by staff on site in small clusters.
Personally I struggle with the medication. It makes me feel dull and unenergetic, it makes it hard to lose weight, there are sexual side effects. I’d rather be rid of it. But each time I try, I end up feeling great for a week or two and then voices and other things come. It’s not pleasant, and so I stick with the medication.
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Post by Admin on Dec 22, 2018 12:37:06 GMT
Personally I struggle with the medication. It makes me feel dull and unenergetic, it makes it hard to lose weight, there are sexual side effects. I’d rather be rid of it. But each time I try, I end up feeling great for a week or two and then voices and other things come. It’s not pleasant, and so I stick with the medication. i think a lot of us, a majority of us on these type of medications are in very similar positions.
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Post by Admin on Dec 24, 2018 19:01:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 20:16:01 GMT
I don't think any 'side' is completely right or wrong with it all. Psychosis and related conditions are very complex, and we don't know enough about them yet. I do wonder how much further we could be if more funding was given to research, but then it depends how they spend the money.
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Post by Admin on Dec 25, 2018 11:21:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2018 16:18:53 GMT
I think TD is quite common, considering the number of people I know with it who are on antipsychotics.
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Post by passingtime on Dec 26, 2018 12:04:28 GMT
Yes, everytime & many times. i filled-in the survey, i found the questions asked interesting & thought provoking, Thanks.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 14:57:34 GMT
i filled-in the survey, i found the questions asked interesting & thought provoking, Thanks. What happens if you want to share? i stopped all medication 5 times. But i am now too afraid of what happens when i stop the medication.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 15:19:17 GMT
Antipsychotics Associated with High Risk of Death in Children www.madinamerica.com/2018/12/antipsychotics-associated-high-risk-death-children/"A new study has found that children and adolescents taking a high dose of antipsychotics are almost twice as likely to die of any cause than children on other types of medications. Perhaps even more striking, children taking high doses of antipsychotics were more than four times as likely to die of cardiovascular or metabolic causes than children on other medications." December 12, 2018 Association of Antipsychotic Treatment With Risk of Unexpected Death Among Children and Youths jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/2717966i suppose that it's one way of 'curing' people.
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Post by passingtime on Dec 26, 2018 17:27:58 GMT
i filled-in the survey, i found the questions asked interesting & thought provoking, Thanks. What happens if you want to share? i stopped all medication 5 times. But i am now too afraid of what happens when i stop the medication. Well i have only ever been on antipsychotics continuously for short periods of time, approx. 8 to to 10 weeks being the longest, so i don't feel as if my physical body ever became accustomed or reliant on the meds. so stopping them never really affected me much, ie. nothing much in the way of side effects. i always experienced my psychosis / manias as my 'spiritual processing' phases and therefore never sort to stop them or end them prematurely. i did find antipsychotics helpful to easing very difficult symptoms on 3 separate occasions, but long term use on these meds. made me unable to function at all, just could not stay awake. i experienced my 'processing' phases as getting less intense & having more clarity as time went on. It's been 15 mths now since my last 'processing' phase, this is the longest i have ever gone without a 'processing' phase since this all began [11 & 1/2 yrs ago] so this is new territory for me. i never feared the 'processing' phases, even though some of them were 'hell', but i did always fear 'being put on the meds.' after some horrific experiences being on meds. in the early days.
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Post by Admin on Dec 26, 2018 17:33:22 GMT
Thank you for sharing.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 26, 2018 18:58:14 GMT
i always experienced my psychosis / manias as my 'spiritual processing' phases and therefore never sort to stop them or end them prematurely. i did find antipsychotics helpful to easing very difficult symptoms on 3 separate occasions, but long term use on these meds. made me unable to function at all, just could not stay awake. i experienced my 'processing' phases as getting less intense & having more clarity as time went on. It's been 15 mths now since my last 'processing' phase, this is the longest i have ever gone without a 'processing' phase since this all began [11 & 1/2 yrs ago] so this is new territory for me. I think the wording you use passingtime, "spiritual processing", is interesting and I identify with it. There is this idea that you are on a journey to higher understanding and it seems to me that if aspects are not dealt with fully during an episode they can pop up in the next one. There is also the problem of very distressing illness symptoms swirling around, it is not easy. Plus the trauma of some of the content of the experiences. On top of that there is the way a person gets treated, by hospital staff, even by carers, who want someone to get back to 'normal', which in practice means putting someone on meds quickly rather than getting to grips with the content and finding a way through it all. Just thinking about it, it is obviously so much easier to get people to shuffle up for drugs than really get at the core of what is going on for the individual and how many mh staff would be equipped to really facilitate this potential movement/ growth?
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Post by passingtime on Dec 26, 2018 19:33:34 GMT
i always experienced my psychosis / manias as my 'spiritual processing' phases and therefore never sort to stop them or end them prematurely. i did find antipsychotics helpful to easing very difficult symptoms on 3 separate occasions, but long term use on these meds. made me unable to function at all, just could not stay awake. i experienced my 'processing' phases as getting less intense & having more clarity as time went on. It's been 15 mths now since my last 'processing' phase, this is the longest i have ever gone without a 'processing' phase since this all began [11 & 1/2 yrs ago] so this is new territory for me. I think the wording you use passingtime, "spiritual processing", is interesting and I identify with it. There is this idea that you are on a journey to higher understanding and it seems to me that if aspects are not dealt with fully during an episode they can pop up in the next one. There is also the problem of very distressing illness symptoms swirling around, it is not easy. Plus the trauma of some of the content of the experiences. On top of that there is the way a person gets treated, by hospital staff, even by carers, who want someone to get back to 'normal', which in practice means putting someone on meds quickly rather than getting to grips with the content and finding a way through it all. Just thinking about it, it is obviously so much easier to get people to shuffle up for drugs than really get at the core of what is going on for the individual and how many mh staff would be equipped to really facilitate this potential movement/ growth? Yeah, i had bag loads of emotional trauma to release, even though my life thus far had been mostly reasonable, for me meds. just shut all this releasing down prematurely, causing a 'halting' / stopping of the 'healing process'. Conventional doctors etc. just viewed this 'processing' as a RE-LAPSE' & a completely un-necessary 'state' to be in & would like you say, rush in to stop it & get one 'back to normal' as quickly as possible. For the most part, all i really needed from the Mental Health hospital was a bit of support & help to care for my physical needs, working through my inner issues i could do myself with the help of my spiritual practitioner. However, as the current set-up requires in-patients to be medicated [up to the eye-balls] it was never much of a 'help' to successfully end what i was going through with an outcome of progress, healing and a 'higher' / better state of balance.
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Post by snowstorm on Dec 26, 2018 19:53:41 GMT
Yeah, i had bag loads of emotional trauma to release, even though my life thus far had been mostly reasonable, for me meds. just shut all this releasing down prematurely, causing a 'halting' / stopping of the 'healing process'. Conventional doctors etc. just viewed this 'processing' as a RE-LAPSE' & a completely un-necessary 'state' to be in & would like you say, rush in to stop it & get one 'back to normal' as quickly as possible. For the most part, all i really needed from the Mental Health hospital was a bit of support & help to care for my physical needs, working through my inner issues i could do myself with the help of my spiritual practitioner. However, as the current set-up requires in-patients to be medicated [up to the eye-balls] it was never much of a 'help' to successfully end what i was going through with an outcome of progress, healing and a 'higher' / better state of balance. Yes. The inner process has a profound effect on the body and I think physical care is really important, not forcing someone who is totally preoccupied to look after themselves in a way they just cannot. If staff really understood even some of the complexity of what is going on in the inner world they would understand that, but no, every tactic is employed to stop it all. I really do think even paranoia could be dealt with by some good psychological input/ techniques/support.
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