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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2018 19:44:24 GMT
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Post by Admin on Nov 11, 2018 17:04:28 GMT
Nothing really on there about withdrawal psychosis. i spoke with Laura Delano for a while, she was very rude, then refused to speak to me. Great that Laura Delano, Will Hall, Monica Cassini, & many others can get successfully medication free, the problem that i have with all the anti psychiatry / anti medication areas, is the denial of illness, & just what exactly was wrong with all these people to begin with? i have no doubt that millions of people are being prescribed psychiatric drugs that don't need them & could be being helped with better approaches, but that doesn't negate a small percentage of people suffering genuine / severe illness.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2018 17:32:20 GMT
Agreed that a small number of people have severe illness and probably do need the medication. There are symptoms of coming off antipsychotics covered there though, like sleepiness and strong emotions, which I had after coming off Seroquel.
I have never known Laura Delano in any capacity so can't really comment. Some people are just rude, unfortunately.
A pity there's nothing specific about withdrawal psychosis though, it would be very helpful to know as many techniques as possible to stave it off.
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Post by snowstorm on Nov 12, 2018 5:50:53 GMT
Great that Laura Delano, Will Hall, Monica Cassini, & many others can get successfully medication free, the problem that i have with all the anti psychiatry / anti medication areas, is the denial of illness, & just what exactly was wrong with all these people to begin with? i have no doubt that millions of people are being prescribed psychiatric drugs that don't need them & could be being helped with better approaches, but that doesn't negate a small percentage of people suffering genuine / severe illness. Do agree. So important that those involved are completely open about the level/length of illness and loss of functioning they had before they gave up meds, for the sake of clarity and safety. I do think also it must be very common to have a mixed attitude/worries about meds because so many people get forced onto them with no real discussion of side effects, that experience stays with someone. The website does describe the difficulty with tapering slowly on tablets when they are only produced in a few strengths. Not exactly taper friendly of the manufacturers, what does that tell us?
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2018 6:50:25 GMT
Do agree. So important that those involved are completely open about the level/length of illness and loss of functioning they had before they gave up meds, for the sake of clarity and safety. I do think also it must be very common to have a mixed attitude/worries about meds because so many people get forced onto them with no real discussion of side effects, that experience stays with someone. The website does describe the difficulty with tapering slowly on tablets when they are only produced in a few strengths. Not exactly taper friendly of the manufacturers, what does that tell us? Will Hall also refuses to speak with me, so does Bonnie Burstow & others within the anti psychiatry movement. If these people want an open debate, then they should have one. Psychiatry in part tries to address the severity issue, but all the anti / critical / alternative psychiatry areas don't, & i think it is a serious issue.
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Post by snowstorm on Nov 12, 2018 7:33:26 GMT
i spoke with Laura Delano for a while, she was very rude, then refused to speak to me. There are differences e.g. looking at Laura's story, she was never force treated for bipolar. She calls it 'involuntarily voluntary.' Fair enough, but very different to being on a section in my view with the trauma level etc.
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2018 7:56:52 GMT
There are differences e.g. looking at Laura's story, she was never force treated for bipolar. She calls it 'involuntarily voluntary.' Fair enough, but very different to being on a section in my view with the trauma level etc. i studied her story a lot. i can't see what great mental health difficulty / symptoms she was suffering with to begin with? & this is where i have the problem with all this.
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2018 8:06:04 GMT
i studied her story a lot. i can't see what great mental health difficulty / symptoms she was suffering with to begin with? & this is where i have the problem with all this. There are loads of stories like this, & i can see why there is the criticism of it all from psychiatry & others. People that are not severely unwell, but having some difficulties, they often willingly get diagnosed & medicated, they feel ill from it all, decide to address things in a more healthy way, are able to stop medication & feel better & then outright reject the whole of psychiatry. But wait a minute, they weren't ill to begin with.
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2018 8:22:37 GMT
You also get this a lot with many others in the field - Szasz, Bonnie Burstow, Leonard Roy Frank, Philip Hickey, Joanne Greenberg, Judi Chamberlin, & countless other prominent anti-psychiatrists have never had any serious mental health problems. A lot of others, Carl Jung, John Nash, Catherine Penney, & many others, it's very likely that it was far milder symptoms / presentations of illness, & they all had proper help & support.
i can't get away from all this fact now. People that weren't ill / weren't severely unwell, telling those that were / are that they are Not - it's more insanity. Of course psychiatry has issues which need addressing, & the treatment of people needs to be far better. But the denial of illness, & seeking the abolition of psychiatry is Nuts, psychiatry needs reform.
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Post by snowstorm on Nov 12, 2018 9:57:15 GMT
You also get this a lot with many others in the field - Szasz, Bonnie Burstow, Leonard Roy Frank, Philip Hickey, Joanne Greenberg, Judi Chamberlin, & countless other prominent anti-psychiatrists have never had any serious mental health problems. A lot of others, Carl Jung, John Nash, Catherine Penney, & many others, it's very likely that it was far milder symptoms / presentations of illness, & they all had proper help & support. i can't get away from all this fact now. People that weren't ill / weren't severely unwell, telling those that were / are that they are Not - it's more insanity. Of course psychiatry has issues which need addressing, & the treatment of people needs to be far better. But the denial of illness, & seeking the abolition of psychiatry is Nuts, psychiatry needs reform. There can be all sorts of severe physical illness elements of psychosis too -not just feeling completely unwell, loss of functioning and unable to self care, catatonia etc. Though the meds can have the worst side effects too. Psychiatry desperately needs reform, just where can we go when psychiatrists like Simon Wessely come out with comments like 'ECT is in my advance directive?' It may be in his and it is very easy for him to say, but what about the 1000s that are forced into it? Makes me fume. www.mentalhealthtoday.co.uk/news/in-our-right-mind/simon-wessely-ect-is-in-my-own-advance-directive
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:24:06 GMT
You also get this a lot with many others in the field - Szasz, Bonnie Burstow, Leonard Roy Frank, Philip Hickey, Joanne Greenberg, Judi Chamberlin, & countless other prominent anti-psychiatrists have never had any serious mental health problems. A lot of others, Carl Jung, John Nash, Catherine Penney, & many others, it's very likely that it was far milder symptoms / presentations of illness, & they all had proper help & support. i can't get away from all this fact now. People that weren't ill / weren't severely unwell, telling those that were / are that they are Not - it's more insanity. Of course psychiatry has issues which need addressing, & the treatment of people needs to be far better. But the denial of illness, & seeking the abolition of psychiatry is Nuts, psychiatry needs reform. There can be all sorts of severe physical illness elements of psychosis too -not just feeling completely unwell, loss of functioning and unable to self care, catatonia etc. Though the meds can have the worst side effects too. Psychiatry desperately needs reform, just where can we go when psychiatrists like Simon Wessely come out with comments like 'ECT is in my advance directive?' It may be in his and it is very easy for him to say, but what about the 1000s that are forced into it? Makes me fume. www.mentalhealthtoday.co.uk/news/in-our-right-mind/simon-wessely-ect-is-in-my-own-advance-directiveThere was an article today in the Guardian about what it's like for a psychiatrist to section someone, what I would like to see is an honest depiction in the media of what being sectioned is like and how it can make you more traumatised because of the 'treatment' that the mental health professionals force upon you.
Yes some lives will be saved by sectioning, but there are more humane ways of doing so than what goes on in UK hospitals (and elsewhere) at present.
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Post by Admin on Nov 12, 2018 19:31:14 GMT
There was an article today in the Guardian about what it's like for a psychiatrist to section someone, what I would like to see is an honest depiction in the media of what being sectioned is like and how it can make you more traumatised because of the 'treatment' that the mental health professionals force upon you.
Yes some lives will be saved by sectioning, but there are more humane ways of doing so than what goes on in UK hospitals (and elsewhere) at present.
There are vast barriers to overcome in changing anything around the way people experiencing severe psychosis are treated. The entire society / system would have to be different in it's understandings & approaches to it all. A different & genuinely humane & effective understanding & approach to severe psychosis would also require a lot in the way of funding & resources. Look at how i how i was reacted to on the mental health forum for trying to discuss such things. i'm now blacklisted from all mental health forums & most MH FB pages. Most people won't even seriously discuss it all, let alone do anything to change the society / system around it all.
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Post by snowstorm on Nov 12, 2018 19:40:59 GMT
I would like to do an anonymous poll of how many patients ending up lying to the psychiatrist about how the drugs are helping them just to get out of hospital.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:57:16 GMT
There was an article today in the Guardian about what it's like for a psychiatrist to section someone, what I would like to see is an honest depiction in the media of what being sectioned is like and how it can make you more traumatised because of the 'treatment' that the mental health professionals force upon you.
Yes some lives will be saved by sectioning, but there are more humane ways of doing so than what goes on in UK hospitals (and elsewhere) at present.
There are vast barriers to overcome in changing anything around the way people experiencing severe psychosis are treated. The entire society / system would have to be different in it's understandings & approaches to it all. A different & genuinely humane & effective understanding & approach to severe psychosis would also require a lot in the way of funding & resources. Look at how i how i was reacted to on the mental health forum for trying to discuss such things. i'm now blacklisted from all mental health forums & most MH FB pages. Most people won't even seriously discuss it all, let alone do anything to change the society / system around it all. I think perhaps there is a lot of cognitive dissonance going on there, people don't like to think they have been lied to by the system and they tend to believe the word of their psychiatrist over a former patient, however intelligent and articulate he may be.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2018 19:58:08 GMT
I would like to do an anonymous poll of how many patients ending up lying to the psychiatrist about how the drugs are helping them just to get out of hospital. I know I lied to get out of hospital, and they thought I was doing well when I actually felt more suicidal when an in patient than when out of there.
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