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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2019 14:36:19 GMT
Sorry Admin, this has been put back two weeks so will not get done until the 12th. Definitely will get done then though. A mixture of nerves and not feeling well really.
Should have got back to you earlier with this, did the talk, in summary, was decided that people thought it was a good idea, would like to implement it in their own lives but also that in the current climate was unlikely to happen, however we did acknowledge that it would likely save money in the long run if they did bring in a holistic approach. I was pretty nervous so didn't deliver as well as I hoped I would, but have passed on details of this site so dunno if you'll get any new members out of it or not but maybe more views and if anyone gets something out of coming on here for information is a good thing. Thanks. X
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2019 17:48:44 GMT
Sorry Admin, this has been put back two weeks so will not get done until the 12th. Definitely will get done then though. A mixture of nerves and not feeling well really.
Should have got back to you earlier with this, did the talk, in summary, was decided that people thought it was a good idea, would like to implement it in their own lives but also that in the current climate was unlikely to happen, however we did acknowledge that it would likely save money in the long run if they did bring in a holistic approach. I was pretty nervous so didn't deliver as well as I hoped I would, but have passed on details of this site so dunno if you'll get any new members out of it or not but maybe more views and if anyone gets something out of coming on here for information is a good thing. i don't think that now is the time to be looking at a transformation of the understandings & approaches to mental health, addiction & associated social care issues / areas, especially with a totally different approach to the psychoses / schizophrenia. Another 200 years time maybe it will be seriously looked at, if at all. i give up with it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 17:59:48 GMT
Should have got back to you earlier with this, did the talk, in summary, was decided that people thought it was a good idea, would like to implement it in their own lives but also that in the current climate was unlikely to happen, however we did acknowledge that it would likely save money in the long run if they did bring in a holistic approach. I was pretty nervous so didn't deliver as well as I hoped I would, but have passed on details of this site so dunno if you'll get any new members out of it or not but maybe more views and if anyone gets something out of coming on here for information is a good thing. i don't think that now is the time to be looking at a transformation of the understandings & approaches to mental health, addiction & associated social care issues / areas, especially with a totally different approach to the psychoses / schizophrenia. Another 200 years time maybe it will be seriously looked at, if at all. i give up with it all. Am sorry to hear that, Admin, but I don't blame you, looking after yourself and those closest to you is your priority.
Given how things are going now 'treatments' are likely to go backwards rather than advance in any way. Is sad but true.
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2019 18:31:52 GMT
Am sorry to hear that, Admin, but I don't blame you, looking after yourself and those closest to you is your priority. Given how things are going now 'treatments' are likely to go backwards rather than advance in any way. Is sad but true. Yes - & there is no proper funding & social / political will to change it all. i also think it's impossible to change it all within the current Zeitgeist. The primary biomedical psychiatric / scientific materialist / Capitalist / socioeconomic / political / legal / religious paradigms & everything around it all won't change, & everything alternative to that is a massive hodge podge of mess, & endless circular & vicious ideological, polemical, religious & political battles between all the different anti / critical / alternative psychiatry / medication camps & agendas vying for their own piece of the pie. It really is all a complete load of shit. There is absolutely no consistency or basis to the treatment of people with severe mental illness - they are simply left to the ravages of whatever the system / society wants to do to them. There is Nothing on their own terms. On facebook earlier on a random thread i had some anti-psychiatry Scientology advocate ranting at me - it's not even worth engaging with all the argument & debate on it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 18:39:30 GMT
Am sorry to hear that, Admin, but I don't blame you, looking after yourself and those closest to you is your priority. Given how things are going now 'treatments' are likely to go backwards rather than advance in any way. Is sad but true. Yes - & there is no proper funding & social / political will to change it all. i also think it's impossible to change it all within the current Zeitgeist. The primary biomedical psychiatric / scientific materialist / Capitalist / socioeconomic / political / legal / religious paradigms & everything around it all won't change, & everything alternative to that is a massive hodge podge of mess, & endless circular & vicious ideological, polemical, religious & political battles between all the different anti / critical / alternative psychiatry / medication camps & agendas vying for their own piece of the pie. It really is all a complete load of shit. There is absolutely no consistency or basis to the treatment of people with severe mental illness - they are simply left to the ravages of whatever the system / society wants to do to them. There is Nothing on their own terms. On facebook earlier on a random thread i had some anti-psychiatry Scientology advocate ranting at me - it's not even worth engaging with all the argument & debate on it all. I would agree that there is no point in debating with people who are completely sure that they are 'right' about something, you can't change their mind or make them see your point of view. We are all a bit guilty of thinking we are right sometimes.
But as with everything else if people are arguing amongst themselves then nothing will change, there needs to be more focus in actually improving treatment and less on social media battles.
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Post by Admin on Jun 22, 2019 19:03:27 GMT
I would agree that there is no point in debating with people who are completely sure that they are 'right' about something, you can't change their mind or make them see your point of view. We are all a bit guilty of thinking we are right sometimes. But as with everything else if people are arguing amongst themselves then nothing will change, there needs to be more focus in actually improving treatment and less on social media battles. i don't see how all the ideological / political battles can be settled? Crapitalism will not change it's position. Atheist scientism materialism / biomedical psychiatry / pharma will Not change it's position - Nor will anti psychiatry - nor will psychology - nor will the spiritual crisis / alternative movement - nor will all the different religions. They are all as bad as each other. i am best when i am able to switch off all electronics, light a candle & sit in peace & quiet in my own space & just Be, & put my awareness / contemplation out into the Cosmos & away from this Earth, & just forget / not focus on it all.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 19:19:24 GMT
I'm away to do something similar. xxx
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Post by Admin on Jul 30, 2019 10:42:13 GMT
Seriously questioning the point again of my internet use / addiction / social media & all the time spent on-line over the past 20 or so years.
The point of this forum / project / debate & effectiveness of any of it.
i have wondered about building another gaming PC or getting a PS4 & just get into playing games for more of a distraction, or trying to do something else with my time.
Could do with doing more exercise - socialising more IRL. Getting on with other stuff.
The last consultant psychiatrist wanted to increase the anti-psychotic medication, add an anti-depressant, referred me back to the GP to sort it all out, have Not seen him since, & to attend the local recovery college services / groups - i have just been feeling so drained & tired with everything & don't feel inspired to do any of that. i am very dubious about increasing & adding more medications.
Very odd head the whole time & overall functioning is crap. Ongoing very stressful family / life situation.
Maybe an anti depressant & increase in the anti psychotic would help? Same endless anti / pro psychiatry / medication arguments rattle around my head with it all.
There is the opportunity of working with this psychologist who i have found, but i kind of feel that it's all going to be the same circular conversation & will revolve Nothing with the condition & my life circumstances.
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Post by snowstorm on Jul 30, 2019 21:47:37 GMT
I do hope you are proud of your project here, I have found it helpful. Building a PC could be good. Playing lots of games - maybe, maybe not :-)
Life stress is such a trigger I think.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2019 7:31:02 GMT
Seriously questioning the point again of my internet use / addiction / social media & all the time spent on-line over the past 20 or so years. The point of this forum / project / debate & effectiveness of any of it. i have wondered about building another gaming PC or getting a PS4 & just get into playing games for more of a distraction, or trying to do something else with my time. Could do with doing more exercise - socialising more IRL. Getting on with other stuff. The last consultant psychiatrist wanted to increase the anti-psychotic medication, add an anti-depressant, referred me back to the GP to sort it all out, have Not seen him since, & to attend the local recovery college services / groups - i have just been feeling so drained & tired with everything & don't feel inspired to do any of that. i am very dubious about increasing & adding more medications. Very odd head the whole time & overall functioning is crap. Ongoing very stressful family / life situation. Maybe an anti depressant & increase in the anti psychotic would help? Same endless anti / pro psychiatry / medication arguments rattle around my head with it all. There is the opportunity of working with this psychologist who i have found, but i kind of feel that it's all going to be the same circular conversation & will revolve Nothing with the condition & my life circumstances. I think getting into playing the PS4 would be swapping one addiction for another. I find the internet very addictive as well. Also feel the same about socialising irl, I don't do much of it. What about doing something with your artistic skills? I enjoy discussing things on the forum but I understand if you are not so keen on it now, and as I say a lot, your health comes first.
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Post by Admin on Aug 2, 2019 8:39:35 GMT
I think getting into playing the PS4 would be swapping one addiction for another. I find the internet very addictive as well. Also feel the same about socialising irl, I don't do much of it. What about doing something with your artistic skills? I enjoy discussing things on the forum but I understand if you are not so keen on it now, and as I say a lot, your health comes first. It would be good to try & get back into the art - my main training was as an artist & it is what i have done the most of. i set up this forum / project to try & help with a shift within the general understandings & approaches towards mental illness. i realise now that an argument can be made for any position - Anti / Pro psychiatry / medication. Left / Right Politics - Anti / Pro Capitalism. Leave & Remain Brexit. Bio-medicine & traditional / alternative / complimentary medicine. Atheist scientific materialism & comparative religion / spirituality. War & Peace. Etc. You can make a valid argument that any position is right / wrong. Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass the world is too full to talk about. Rumi. What's the point in arguing / fighting over one polemic / position over another. i can't change any of it all anyway. The rest of the World / Humanity can argue & fight it all out, & endlessly play out all these dualities as they always have done & always will do, it is the dualistic nature of physical existence / the cosmos. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism
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Post by Admin on Aug 19, 2019 15:27:03 GMT
My life / recovery / healing & ability to resolve my difficulties has been & is a total failure, along with this project. A long time ago a family friend told me that the measure of a man is in how well they deal with failure. www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZdiXvDU4P0
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 7:10:05 GMT
Your life has not been a total failure. You have come through and defeated a lot. You are a survivor. I could not have dealt with what you have.
And this project isn't a total failure, lots of people come on every day, but maybe don't have the confidence to post anything. You have a depth of knowledge most do not.
Love and hugs. xxx
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Post by Admin on Aug 21, 2019 9:05:24 GMT
Your life has not been a total failure. You have come through and defeated a lot. You are a survivor. I could not have dealt with what you have. And this project isn't a total failure, lots of people come on every day, but maybe don't have the confidence to post anything. You have a depth of knowledge most do not. Love and hugs. xxx Thank you for the kind words, but my life & this project feel like a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2019 16:18:06 GMT
We will have to agree to disagree then. You are in no way a failure, even if you feel that way about yourself.
You are a good person and treat others fairly, you help others where you can and you have certainly helped me, and opened my eyes to things I had not thought of. Am sure I am not the only one. And you do that every day on this forum; just because people are not members does not mean they are not engaging with what you are posting.
Given all the trials you have been through in life I don't see that as failure. You have a lot of inner strength many of us do not possess, you should be proud of who you are, not feeling like you do.
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