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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2021 19:25:09 GMT
Due to the highly controversial, deeply personal & divisive nature of discussion on topics of religion / spirituality, especially for those suffering mental illnesses, i have decided to stop posting on this subject on the forum, & ask any other new / existing members to do the same. i will leave this section on the forum.
Everyone has different beliefs, & it is a deeply personal subject, that is best not debated.
There are plenty of other places to discuss, debate & read about all these areas.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 9:37:36 GMT
Understand why you would make this decision. However I think there is a difference between debate about people's individual faith and belief and the subject of spirituality in relation to the experience of psychosis.
It is a bit of a shame overall to close the section - just my opinion.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 10:35:37 GMT
Understand why you would make this decision. However I think there is a difference between debate about people's individual faith and belief and the subject of spirituality in relation to the experience of psychosis. It is a bit of a shame overall to close the section - just my opinion. The problem is snowstorm is that a lot of people are totally incapable of respectfully debating it all, probably me included as well. The internet & social media is awash with people trying to convert others to their religions / beliefs. A lot of the schizophrenia support groups i go on are now banning all discussion of Christianity / religions as it causes so many problems. One of the main problems that i have come across on-line over the past 20 years has been arguments over religions. Sure - some of us can see the sense in a non religious spirituality / universal wisdom / universal science & spirituality, within secular religious & spiritual freedoms, but the problem is that a lot of other people can't. It's better to simply ban all religious / spiritual discussion on the forum - people can look it up & discuss it all in other places on-line. i have for too long been the subject of other people very aggressively & forcefully trying to convert me to their religion & spiritual beliefs, especially with Christians & have had enough of it all. There is a good wealth of knowledge on spirituality here in this section - people can take / leave whatever they like. Very few people ever post here anyway.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 16:45:27 GMT
Fair enough and if it is a trigger more so.
That doesn't detract from my thought that in some cases there is an aspect to psychosis that is spiritual but more importantly that avenue of discussion is there for people to think about and hopefully will not close, even if it does so here.
That doesn't mean people need to rush off to healers, just a possible aspect to look at personally for those who may think it is a factor for them.
I certainly made progress in trying to get better by taking it into account.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 18:25:21 GMT
Fair enough and if it is a trigger more so. That doesn't detract from my thought that in some cases there is an aspect to psychosis that is spiritual but more importantly that avenue of discussion is there for people to think about and hopefully will not close, even if it does so here. That doesn't mean people need to rush off to healers, just a possible aspect to look at personally for those who may think it is a factor for them. I certainly made progress in trying to get better by taking it into account. There are myriad religious & spiritual crisis / emergence / emergency groups & contacts, & traditional / holistic practitioners / information for people that want to peruse that avenue. Of Course - i see us as whole Beings, involving mind, body, soul, spirit & environment - & there Being a Source / God / Great Spirit - Spiritual Realms & Realities - the Soul / Psyche, within a 12 Density / 24 Dimensional reality. i think a wholly integrated model of the hard & soft sciences & full integration of all areas of biology, psychology, sociology & spirituality is the way to go with comprehensive fully integrated health & social care services. i also think that all the World religions / spiritual systems point to a Universal Wisdom / Truth - One God - One Light - One World - One Life - One Humanity. The issue is that the above is my own subjective personal opinion & 'no one' is going to universally agree on all that any time soon, if ever - there are as many different views on the World, truth & reality as there are people, & everyone is an individual. It is utterly pointless me going over & over certain experiences & personal perspectives with other people on the internet, & endlessly repeating the same things & having the same debates, reactions, responses & arguments, with the endless same opinions / suggestions, with everyone else on social media / the internet doing the same thing. i am far far better to address certain aspects of my lifestyle - get out more away from the computer & focus on other things. i have been having these discussions / debates for 20 years & it resolves absolutely nothing & ultimately helps no one. Atheists will still be Atheists, The religious will still be adherents of their respective religions, the people into non religious spirituality will still be into non religious spirituality - pagans / witches / shaman / mystics will still be what they are, people into magick will still be into magick, alternative healers will still be healers, people that are anti / critical / pro / alternative psychiatry / pharma & respective mental health camps will still have their respective viewpoints, people will still be physically / mentally ill - people will still have their respective political positions, regardless of any counter arguments. Anyone if they can read can look up any area / information / read any book, seek out what help & support is out there, live their life how they want & do / think & believe whatever the hell they like, & good luck to everyone. But same with the anti / pro psychiatry polemic - the religion / spirituality polemic is utterly pointless, no one is going to change their mind / beliefs / practices regardless of anything on the internet. Campaigning for better mental health treatment is largely pointless, so is wasting years of life staring at a screen, or thinking that i can do anything to change other people & the World / society / system / civilization.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 18:40:37 GMT
Agree that getting away from a screen is very important and circular triggering debates are not good for anyone, certainly not good for mental health.
Was just surprised as a believer in free speech to read not only that you were closing the subject for yourself but also any other potential contributor, as it is tarring everyone with the same brush - not everyone would post here trying to convert someone else to a certain religion, whatever it may be.
Thus I had to make a comment.
People change their views, as they go through life and experience different things. It's your forum.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 18:41:00 GMT
Fair enough and if it is a trigger more so. That doesn't detract from my thought that in some cases there is an aspect to psychosis that is spiritual but more importantly that avenue of discussion is there for people to think about and hopefully will not close, even if it does so here. That doesn't mean people need to rush off to healers, just a possible aspect to look at personally for those who may think it is a factor for them. I certainly made progress in trying to get better by taking it into account. A google search for psychosis & spirituality brings up 8,580,000 results. By all means do what i have done - create a forum / web page / project on mental health & spirituality & campaign for comprehensive integrated integral mental health approaches & start campaigning & writing hundreds of letters demanding better mental health treatment as myself & millions of others have done for the past 500 years, & as people have debated the link between madness & spirituality since the dawn of human civilization. i don't think it intrinsically changes anything. How do you suggest we resolve the argument over mental illness / psychosis & spirituality without all the same argument & debate? On this forum & personally i think it's better to no longer debate / discuss it all, & allow myself & others whatever personal beliefs they like.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 18:43:37 GMT
Agree that getting away from a screen is very important and circular triggering debates are not good for anyone, certainly not good for mental health. Was just surprised as a believer in free speech to read not only that you were closing the subject for yourself but also any other potential contributor, as it is tarring everyone with the same brush - not everyone would post here trying to convert someone else to a certain religion, whatever it may be. Thus I had to make a comment. People change their views, as they go through life and experience different things. It's your forum. If you can present a solution to all the problems in this area i will re consider my position. But currently discussing all this is doing more harm than good.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 19:16:43 GMT
A trigger is a trigger - if you find these posts harming then that is as it is and it is not useful to continue with them, I don't know if it possible to hide the subject in your view of the forum as you are Admin, probably not.
It is a divisive subject. I just maintain that for a lot of people religious or spiritual themes do pop up in psychosis as you know and this subject will no doubt appear in experiences or some other place on the forum sometime.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 19:26:53 GMT
A trigger is a trigger - if you find these posts harming then that is as it is and it is not useful to continue with them, I don't know if it possible to hide the subject in your view of the forum as you are Admin, probably not. It is a divisive subject. I just maintain that for a lot of people religious or spiritual themes do pop up in psychosis as you know and this subject will no doubt appear in experiences or some other place on the forum sometime. A lot of the schizophrenia groups i am in are all banning religious discussion. i remember first time in the psychiatric hospital - they had Bibles on the inside of the door of the cupboards by the beds - on later stays they had been removed, due to the myriad complaints / problems it caused. i can't allow the continual proselytizing, (a lot of it through other contacts) sorry. People can look up any information on-line on all these areas - they can buy / read any book on religion / spirituality - the UK at least is still, for now, a secular democracy.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 19:33:44 GMT
Banning a discussion does not fill me with cheer sadly because it is a short step to not discussing these sorts of spiritual experiences at all.
Only Wynona to my knowledge was keen on proselytizing.
How to square the circle?
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 19:44:20 GMT
Hmmm, sounds about right for a psych hospital of then, bibles but no nice pictures or home comforts.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 19:47:14 GMT
Banning a discussion does not fill me with cheer sadly because it is a short step to not discussing these sorts of spiritual experiences at all. Only Wynona to my knowledge was keen on proselytizing. How to square the circle? There are endless places on-line & in society to discuss & explore all these areas. i'm no longer having it on here. There has been / is a lot of behind the scenes stuff connected to this forum, where all this has been a major issue, better for it for me to be a personal matter. If people want to discuss it all do it elsewhere, not here, very few people that post here anyway.
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Post by snowstorm on Jun 28, 2021 19:48:55 GMT
OK.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2021 19:49:51 GMT
Banning a discussion does not fill me with cheer sadly because it is a short step to not discussing these sorts of spiritual experiences at all. Only Wynona to my knowledge was keen on proselytizing. How to square the circle? Tell me how you stop all the argument? & get everyone to come to an agreement on Atheism / World Religions / Spirituality? Chimera in part left the forum over it all.
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